COVID-19: OhMyCronus!

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  1. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
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    Netherlands
    Of course he's not the inventor of actual mRNA. Thats an RNA molecule that everyone has inside their body.

    He said he's the inventor of mRNA drugs, not the molecule itself
     
  2. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    / Opens link

    / closes link

    :ROFLMAO:
     
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  3. ElNaranja

    ElNaranja Member+

    Houston Dynamo
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    Jul 16, 2017
    I usually read about this people on the HCA subreddit. Or the occasional brave one who calls in to the office. Interesting to find one here.
     
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  4. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Yeah, good find.

    I've read a few things about that guy and they generally take the same line. That most people in the field agree he's got a hugely exaggerated of his own importance but, tbh, I find the whole thing rather tedious. The 'he said/she said' nonsense I mean.

    Frankly, I don't give a toss who invented what at which point. I'm not on the Nobel prize committee and my only interest is in terms of a general scientific one about how the stuff works and whether it works.

    It's like this 'inside the beltway' or 'westminster bubble' nonsense that leaves most voters absolutely cold, albeit the scientific community version of it.

    The daft thing is, if he just stuck to this bit in that article...

    Speaking as a doctor, he would probably recommend their use only for those at highest risk from COVID-19. Everyone else should be wary, he told me, and those under 18 should be excluded entirely.

    He'd be on stronger ground.

    I haven't seen anything where he's said that ALL vaccines are dangerous so one could make an argument that's a point of view, albeit one with which other experts in the field vehemently disagree and, in any event, has been proven to be wrong by history.

    But, y'know... it's at least coherent.

    It's maybe something a scientific group who are charged with giving advice to politicians might consider as part of their deliberative process. That's then considered in much the same way our lot considered the advice from the JCVI not to give vaccinations to 12-15 year olds...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58438669

    As in that case, the politicians, under further advice,went ahead with it anyway because there were 'other issues', (i.e. keeping the rest of us alive).

    Instead of that we get crap about shadowy Israeli scientists who have agreed to cover something up... and failing because pretty much everyone KNOWS about it. Obviously these Israeli scientists aren't all they're cracked up to be :rolleyes:

    All in all it's a bit bloody depressing :(
     
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  5. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I have not looked at COVID-19 stats in a while.

    As of now, 48,100,000 Americans have had COVID-19!
    770,000 deaths.

    110,000 new cases yesterday!

    264,000,000 worldwide
    5,230,000 deaths.

    770,000 new cases.

    This is what we are fighting.

    Despite having 5% of the world's population, the US has had 18% of the cases.
    Of course, this is probably down to better reporting here than in other highly populated nations, but it is still friggin' scary as hell.

    I just heard that my doctor (who is fully vaccinated, of course) has contracted COVID. I had an appointment today and I will be there on my own. She is preparing my therapy medication for me to pick up and self-administer.
     
  6. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    YOU said he was the inventor of mRNA.
    Here is what you wrote:
    Please.Just.Stop.
     
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  7. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I've noticed the conversation moves more swiftly with him on ignore :)

    I don't usually do it but it's appropriate for some people.
     
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  8. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
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    But, then, you miss the "brilliant" insight and the "questions"!
     
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  9. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

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    Toronto
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    Preach!
     
  10. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    What can I say... that's a 'risk' I'm prepared to take :)
     
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  11. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    You also said:
    And here we are. :(














    ;)
     
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  12. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    The thing is, we all know the guy's gonna be back here again in a few months asking the same 'questions', possibly with a different hat on.

    We've tried holding a discussion with him and he's either a moron or he's just a troll, (my own personal belief).
     
  13. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Eggzaktamundissimo.
     
  14. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
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    Columbus Crew
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  15. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Is that the Canadian spelling of grauniad?
     
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  16. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

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    Toronto
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    Damnit !! :)
     
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  17. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Damn me! EVERY time I say I am moving on, I have one or two more posts.
    I try...and fail!
    I mean it, this time
     
  18. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
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  19. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
    #394 Naughtius Maximus, Dec 3, 2021
    Last edited: Dec 3, 2021
    Anywhooo, back on topic... this was a tragic case.

    Arthur Labinjo-Hughes: vulnerable children ‘slipped from view’ in pandemic
    Former children’s commissioner says Covid pandemic had put Arthur and other children at increased risk

    The neglect and murder of six-year-old Arthur Labinjo-Hughes was possible because vulnerable children “slipped from view” during the pandemic, the former children’s commissioner for England has said.

    Anne Longfield told the BBC she was “heartbroken and totally sickened” by the case, in which Arthur was subjected to what prosecutors called a “campaign of appalling cruelty” and murdered just two months after social workers found no evidence of safeguarding concerns.

    Apart from improving spending and the quality of service of child protection services there was nothing to be done during the pandemic as it was inevitable but, even so, a terrible case :(

    Of course, these cases have happened even when there wasn't a pandemic as well. Even so, something to be recognised when we're talking about lockdowns and similar issues.
     
  20. roby

    roby Member+

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    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    Gottcha!! :whistling:
     
  21. Chesco United

    Chesco United Member+

    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I have yet to hear of a death from the omicron strain.
     
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  22. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It was only detected last week.
     
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  23. Gilbertsson

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    Apr 1, 2012
    Geneva
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    Switzerland
    #398 Gilbertsson, Dec 3, 2021
    Last edited: Dec 3, 2021
    I have read some articles.:thumbsdown:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7194626/

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33387997/

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32222812/

    What is your opinion about this? Numerous people died in my city because of Covid. 8 people that I know died because of Covid 19, they were all vaccinated during spring and summer. Pathetic life, you build, invest and disease hits you when you least expect. The hardest moment was when I saw their family members, sad pets.:( Life isn't fair.:confused: Young people between 28 and 63.:( With one of them, I took the vaccine, he is gone now. I was also in isolation during November. I was worried, couldn't sleep properly, but I was OK, vaccinated with Pfizer.
     
  24. JamesA

    JamesA Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    Victoria
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Saying Malone is the inventor of mRNA drugs is incredibly misleading.

    It's a long, complicated history of how it made it's way from lab to actual vaccine involving many breakthroughs and hundreds of scientists.

    The technology has had significant changes, improvements and adaptations since Malone was involved.

    This is one of the best, most in depth and detailed articles you can find on this subject:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02483-w
     
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  25. JamesA

    JamesA Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    Victoria
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    The US has a population 8 times bigger than Canada and almost 27 times more deaths.

    I think you might be getting something wrong down there.
     
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