Ecuatorianos en el exterior, Part IV

Discussion in 'Ecuador - Players Abroad' started by cristian1mv, Jan 9, 2010.

  1. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Jefferson Intriago to Mazatlan FC.
     
  2. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Santos going after Luis Canga and Fluminense after Mario Pineida? Hope they move would be interesting to see.
     
  3. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    The president of Santos denied the rumor. I don't buy the Pineida to Fluminense rumor. Pineida to MLS is feasible tho.
     
  4. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    The president of BSC said they've turned down offers for Castillo that were 2m and 2.5m.
     
  5. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Fidel Martinez to Queretaro.
     
  6. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    He's a steal at that range. Until the winter transfer window opens in Europe, the only offers that will come by are from the US and MX where transfer fees are lower and I'd say generally in the $2-5M range. We'll have to wait until Jan to see what happens w/ European interest.

    Has anyone caught wind of this kid before?


    JOHN YEBOAH ZAMORA - his mom is Ecuadorian and he's made his way through the German NT at the youth level.
     
  7. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I see Castillo getting sold for around 4m. If he were Brazilian teams would pay a lot more.

    There was some noise about Yeboah about an year ago but haven't heard much about him recently. He hasn't played much this season. He's young tho so definitely worth keeping an eye on the kid.
     
  8. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Yea he is having a few spells now that he been loaned out he got loaned out again to a dutch 2nd division team. Either way I dont think he will ever player for Ecuador. Officially he only holds German citizenship and Ghana. I think they said he would have to give up one to be able to nationalize himself as Ecuadorian.


    Also it doesnt seem like he has any relation to Ecuador other than his mom. It doesnt seem like he speaks spanish or has ever even been to Ecuador.
     
  9. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Someone told me Brazilian media confirmed Talks between BSC and Flu for Pineida. Flu is interested since they been following him for a while and his price point is low.


    Luis Canga should make the jump. He a decent CB but I dont think any of the top 4 teams will make any moves to go after him. I think MLS would be a nice option for him. A Brazilian team going after him would be amazing. Kinda like when Sao Paulo picked up Arboleda from Catolica.
     
  10. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I don't know if Brazil would be the best fit for him tbh. Dude is slow and a bit overweight no offense. He'd go up against players that are not only fast but technically gifted.

    I haven't followed Canga much the past couple of years. I remember him from back when he was with Liga. I think there's a chance he ends up with a team from Ecuador. Liga is looking for a CB. BSC may be looking for a CB too. Riveros is out and Leon may be out too if San Luis doesn't extend his loan. Emelec as well depending on what happens with Sosa. Canga would do well in MLS. The Brazilian league would be good for his career tho. Especially Santos. That's a big team and that could put him on the national team's radar in the event he does well. It'll be tough to break in with the national team squad. Torres, Hincapie, and Arboleda are givens. There's one more spot left and he'd have to battle Leon, Arreaga, Porozo, Almeida, and Vallecilla for a spot.
     
  11. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Agree he would have been great for fluminense about 4 years ago tbh. Dude 29 now and it a gamble on weather he will be able to adapt and if he can stay healthy and in form. But who knows they desperately want a cheap full back and from what my friend told me Brazilian media says it very close to negotiating a deal.


    There not much options in the local league to sign cb tbh and I would hate to go after Canga after having him let go. Only options I can think of for any top 4 to go after would be Leandro Realpe benched in Brazil. Eddie Guevara Cheche Hernandez strictly requested him to stay if they do not meet his demands he will not continue in the team. Rockson Renteria, Kevin Beccera, Richard Mina I guess Luis Canga could fit there too.



    And maybe huge maybe on the next names.Jairo Jimenez, Joao Quinonez, , Franklin Carabali and Jose Ignacio Flor from Manta. Manta seems to have hidden talent every now and then I've seen him play a few times. I think it worth for a big team to take the gamble.
     
  12. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    The Pineida rumors to Flu are growing fans raided his social media pages asking him to come. They really need a RB. If Pineida gets fit and work for it he can do well. For the past 6 years he been one of the best full backs in Ecuador. He deserves it. I didn't think It could happen since he didn't make the jump when he was in his prime but anything could happen at this point.
     
  13. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Ecuador may just end up tying with el salvador lmaoo
     
  14. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Players are rushing now. Trying to do things on their own. Team isn't organized. Props to el salvador's gk and CBs tho.
     
  15. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Erick Castillo is heading back to BSC.
     
  16. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
  17. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
  18. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    He is super lucky no one not even himself got hurt. That other kid Vicente Jaime we just sent to spain from IDV to train with Numancia. What a dumbass he already giving his players and team a bad image in spain after just getting there. They def sending him back to Ecuador.
     
  19. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Idv should send a message and kick him out entirely.
     
  20. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    This could not have come at a worse time.

    More reason for FEF to invest in psychologists and do mental evals on each players that wears the national kit. He's 20 or 21 years old. Who hasn't had mental lapses at that age? While I don't condone his behavior in the slightest, I can rationalize much of it to age and a lack of situational awareness....it's normal at his age, which makes it so much more important to put mentors and psychologists in front of these guys from a young age. We focus so much on the footballing aspect that we forget that they are still "kids" - famous and publicly visible, but they're young and at this age, we can expect mistakes to happen. It sucks that it happened to an Ecuadorian player - worst off in Spain where we're still not cracking the ceiling as we've done in other leagues with regularity. These are the headaches we'll be dealing with when we field younger squads. Not everyone will fall for dumb s*it, but it's more likely below the age of 25 than older. We also have to remember how much education plays into this - and role models. Many of our afrodescendant players come from marginalized communities and are academically behind their counterparts in cities or from more economically stable backgrounds. All of these elements play into shaping boys to be men...more importantly, shaping good citizens.

    Whatever punishment gets handed down - he's responsible, and I stand by whatever is announced. He's on a work visa, has let his club down, his teammates down, and he could have possibly killed someone...thank goodness the latter did not come to fruition, and as I understand, he was doing gym training today apart from the whole squad. I'd expect they make statements and sanction him as of tomorrow. Alfaro should proceed accordingly as well. I'm not sure what the legal ramifications are, but is it possible that he's liable for prison time or a revocation of his work visa? I mean, a DUI here is a criminal offense...someone here in the US would absolutely get deported or lose their conditional legal status as a result of this type of offense with jail time if there was a death or some kind of resisting arrest issue.

    I haven't heard Carlos Tenorio's statements about Plata, but I think a lot of us would agree, even prior to this issue, that Plata was a very unique case. He's the classic example of the libertine on the pitch - freestyling and arrogant, which is his biggest curse but also his strength. How he handles his fame and the pressure to perform, is the biggest issue. Great players have faded for much less (and certainly much worse), so I hope he can really get his act together....this might be the right shock to clean up his act, but if it doesn't, he'll be another one of those shooting stars who fades into obscurity.
     
  21. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Can you imagine? If I'm a recruiter at Numancia, I'd send his ass back to Ecuador immediately and pull the contract. What poor judgement. He's now a high-risk asset. Maybe he's a great player but has demonstrated bad professionalism and if they sign him, when can they expect him to stumble? If they do sign him now, they'll probably pull money off the table, lower the transfer fee for IDV, and put a ton of morality clauses to protect themselves after this.

    IDV loses big b/c that's years of development that might've just been flushed down the drain. That's why it's a numbers game w/ farm systems. Guys can fall for any reason.
     
  22. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    I agree. After the whole Jose Angulo case do we really want to have a record of this in Spain ? Zero tolerance should be the message. They always say it take one person to ruin it for everyone. Incidents like these can close the door for alot of other people. IDV is just starting to make a name for themselves in Europe.
     
  23. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    The dude hasn't even debuted as a professional and he pulls this stunt? I wouldn't want him around the team on any level. It's unfortunate for the kid but this sort of behavior should not be tolerated.

    Plata may get away with a slap on the wrist. His team is fighting promotion and he's a key player for them. I hope he gets fined a considerable amount.
     
  24. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I don't mean to sound pessimistic but we'll be lucky if in 4 years Plata, Hincapie, Moises, and Sarmiento are all still important players for Ecuador. A lot of young players start off hot but then life happens and they fall off.

    Enner gets a lot of hate. There's a lot of people who don't want him to get called up to the national team. The dude is 32 years old and still going strong. Like Tenorio said he's the first to show up and the last to leave. We need these sort of players. Professionals. I'm all into the youth movement but I'm not of the idea that we should kick Enner, Dominguez, and Mena off the team. These guys are in their 30s and still playing at a high level. That's not an accident. That's not luck.
     
  25. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I was reading up on what might happen:

    Legally, he'll probably get his license revoked and have to do community service. Due to there being no serious injuries on the driver, the legal penalty seems to be much less severe. In contrast to what we'd see here in the U.S.

    Regarding at the club level, they'll likely drop him to the reserve squad for a bit, fine him a considerable sum (best case scenario). They can also rescind the contract and he'd get shipped back to Portugal where he'll clearly languish on the bench (worst case scenario)....due to moral/ethical contractual breaches.
     

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