so this camp and jan camp both gonna be domestic heavy? disappointing... there are a bunch of viable non domestic options out there that have had zero shot to play for the team.
I mean we’ve heard three names so far, one is Sonora who plays in Argentina, another is Gomez who is moving to Spain in January, and the third is Paredes who could have a possible move himself in January. I think it’s going to be the best of whose available, but I think is premature to complain until we see an actual roster.
I shouldn't have to say this to YOU (you've been around for plenty long enough), but I'll do it anyway: the camps will be domestic heavy because most of the players available play domestically. The same way January camps have always been. But, don't mistake the "extended" January camp for the WCQ camp--they'll run into eachother, but the initial January roster will not be the WCQ roster. Nonetheless, I would like to know who compose this "bunch" of viable non-domestic options that would be released by their clubs in these two months outside an official FIFA window. Please share, and be specific.
I mean it will be domestic heavy, but the players you are talking about are only a handful of names. Many of them could still be included and you’d still have a domestic heavy roster. I mean who outside of Sonora, Cardoso, Sabbi, and Cappis do you want to see?
I would think the MLS guys already in the mix for the qualifying roster will NOT be in this camp as they are still in the midst of the month or so off they should be getting after this season. If an "extended pre-camp fitness camp" (copyright) is happening in Arizona BEFORE the actual qualifying camp, that is when players like Miles Robinson and Kelyn Acosta can work on their fitness. I like all the suggestions in 1-7. Those are the kinds of player this camp should be for.
I generally agree, but Berhalter name checked Pepi and Ferreira in his podcast today and the need to use this camp to keep them in shape.
Huh. Interesting. Those two players are somewhat special cases I'd expect: both young, both pretty new to the team, and both will have had 4 weeks break by the time December camp starts. And, in Pepi's case especially, he very well might not be available for the January Extended Pre-camp Fitness Camp (TM) so this would be an opportunity for Gregg and staff to work with him for an extended run before next Qualifiers.
what are you talking about? of course they will. turner, m rob, zim, acosta, arriola, lletget, bello, roldan, pepi, ferreira, zardes, morris, (hopefully) dike, long(?)- probably 8 will absolutely be on the initial jan roster and the wcq roster.
Sure, and there will also be another at least 10 players on the pre-WCQ-camp roster that won't be on the WCQ roster, which was my point. Some of the players will be on both rosters, but a bunch will only be on the first so that Berhalter can get another look and continue developing and integrating the pool.
I’ve watched very little of Sonora at all and nothing resembling a full game, but I was impressed by his ball control in limited highlights. Would love to see him.
Depends on WCQ needs and prepare for WC. Before Acosta moved up as #2 in #6 after Adams, it was Yueil. Frankly this spot is still not fully settled in Gregg’s mind. We haven’t see much from MLS but looks Tessmann is interesting. #8 backup after MMA is also open. Sonora, Mihailovic, are for this one.
I mean depending on the extent of his injury I'd like to see Sands get some good run at the 6 in December/January. I'm glad Tessmann is getting finally some run in Italy and he more than anyone has the ability to skyrocket up the depth chart quickly, but I don't think he's quite there yet. I think we got to look at Pomykal and Clark at the 8 just because of our lack of depth at the position and both have the most potential there of MLS options, even if either might not be quite ready yet.
In terms of the most effective play I've seen in central midfield of GGG's 433, I would delineate the roles as---- Destroyer/D-mid: Adams, Acosta, Sands, Tessmann Possession: Musah, Torre, Busio, Parks, Lletget Mezzala: McKennie, Reyna, Mihailovic, Sonora, Ferreira Ferreira mainly has been used as a false 9, of course.
Sonora's still a question. I think yesterday was his final chance to get in a lineup before this roster was announced. I'd still bring him and hope he got fit along the way. But USS might just save the airfare. Sands' unavailability would be a bigger blow to our wcq experiments. He was a much better 6 than Tessmann when both were in MLS. Tessmann was a rotational player at fcd & he is w/ Venezia. You don't become a much better player in 2 months because you switched leagues. He still has defensive issues. You saw Busio & Tessmann predictably get exploited together due to lack of footspeed + d instincts. Even more excited to see DeJuan Jones here after last night. Just a question how you use him. I still think right side. One of the true lb's like Paredes or Tolkin should be there. But then Duncan gets better dealt, AGAIN. Can't be far from being pushed toward Jamaica. He's superior to Alvas Powell.
At this point we need to switch expectations. It used to be we wanted the best technical players and hope that they developed off the ball ability. Now the technical baseline is much better and we should be looking at the top end defensive talent and challenge them to better use their technique. Adams is the prime example of this. Zimmerman seems to be a project gaining fruition. Sands is the really tantalizing one. The kid has incredible instincts on how to suppress passes with his cover. He also has a good technical baseline which needs a bit of work. He might move faster along then Busio who is still so green off the ball. Of course, Busio is also two years younger.
Tessman is a year younger than Sands at an age that a year means a lot. I don't think he's ready to play international 6 with the way we play -- not a lot of help, frankly at times -- but the big difference between him and Sands is that he simply has more footspeed. If it the aggression mindset and tactical view of the game click for Tessman, he's going to pass Sands. What Sands has on Tessman can be learned; what Tessman has on Sands is going to be hard to make up. But I don't think he's 6 ready for the full team.
Tessman has incredible physical tools and his technical baseline is quite high. He's very McKennie like in that. What he doesn't have is that one thing in which his instincts are better than others - Adams has his pressing, McKennie his nose for the goal - so I think he will be very good player but I'm not seeing him as surefire NT material.
No doubt. He doesn't have that decisive aggression, and I think that that is something that very likely won't ever come. It's easier to change that than to go from unathletic to athletic .... but it's not easy and it can be pretty ingrained. That said, recent looks at him have him being more confident, more capable that way. And tactical knowledge can be learned. It's not impossible he can't develop these things. But no, not a surefire guy. But few are.
I just said Tessmann has a lack of footspeed. Then you turned around and claimed he had footspeed. It's simply not true. He struggles to crush the space. This is reflected by Sands having double the ball-winning #'s in MLS. With Tanner it's even more lack of speed & quicks. Sands it's just speed, not that Tessmann has an advantage over Sands there either. We saw Tessmann just get out-ran in MLS. Then there's the superior defensive instincts w/ Sands. The moderate youth advantage I suppose helps him improve those instincts. He's a better long-range passer & shooter. And he moved earlier to not be stagnated. This helps. But there's over-hype for his present & potential simply because he was considering being a Clemson kicker (as if it makes him athletic) and a move to a top 5 where he's doing close to the same things as in his domestic league.
I think the thing Tessman has going for him is that he plays a position where we lack depth, and has made it over to a top 4 league and is seeing playing time at a young age. He's clearly not ready for the national team yet, but he's a place where he can get into the picture pretty quickly if his game develops.
Supposedly Jonathan Gomez will be at the camp. Whether he'll play as a reservist & when there's some palatable alternatives is another story. Kevin Paredes is a friend of his, so if he's healthy enough & plays over him, he can't be too mad about it.
i dont know that berhalter saying he would like them in camp has much to do with them actually being in camp.
This is why you're on ignore. Half the time you're putting words in my mouth to justify being a prick. How bout you just stick to what people say and stop making assumptions. Tactical Manager relayed this & he recently interviewed Gomez. So he has a contact with him. As if I'd say this based on the old, public report that was already posted here. Try and think for a change.