German Fraulein National Team 2020 & beyond

Discussion in 'Germany Mädels: NT and Frauen-Bundesliga' started by hotjam2, Feb 26, 2020.

  1. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Oh... and how is Cerci not in the wnt's plans, but Petermann gets to train and sit on the bench for match days...:confused:

    Simon's constant omission is frustrating knowing washed options like Maier, Knaak, Doorsoun, are all on standby...:speechless:

    But when I've seen MVT allow Krumbiegel to produce horror show performances, while not even good enough to start for her club, I find it ridiculous that these same coaches are now choosing to ignore the obvious quality of Cerci.

    Dongus is light years ahead of Feldkamp, and very unlucky to be a DM for a wnt with various quality options ahead of her. But Cerci at 21 is set to be a 15-20 goal forward this season, but is somehow behind Petermann lol.
     
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  2. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    My two cents worth;

    nice scoreline, though more influenced by Turkey bringing its back line too far up in support of its mids(guess trying to close down passing lanes), but giving way too much space available behind their lines

    Jule Brand is da bomb! She definitely energized attack as the late 1st half was becoming repetitive. But she needs time to jell, so starting her at the beginning of the 2nd half is perfect for her

    Nusskens starting at mid/Rall at FB were the big surprise lineup changes(and both had good games). But it will mean even a lesser chance for Oberdorf ever moving back to mid. Seems like Nusskins gotten in MVT favor, possibly starting the over the likes of Maro & Leupolz?

    defensively, it’s Houston, we got an problem! Both Oberdorf & Hegering seem to want to charge right up to an opponent with the ball instead of restraining & waiting for an better timed tackle, makes me feel top attacking players will have no problem side stepping them. And what was up with Hegering’s unsportsmanlike behavior?

    Overall, nice to see some more quicker paced & long balls, but for the feeling Portugal will be different with them laying way deeper & play more possession. It be as b good chance to see who presses hardest, but got the feeling MVT’s mind all ready made up in terms of favorites
     
  3. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Yeah... this was a tactical aspect of the game Turkey simply couldn't grasp the entire 90 mins.

    Trying to defend zones, but constantly getting dragged out of their positions, it was something I've seen German wnt's do in the past, but haven't seen them accomplish under MVT; and I suspect this was something Turkey had no idea was about to be implemented so effectively against them either.

    Like Serbia, Turkey seemed prepared to face a now too common tactically awful German wnt, but instead found themselves blitzed and confused chasing shadows with everything taking place in front of them.

    So besides the final score, witnessing the improved patterns of play, and the way they executed everything with more speed and precision, definitely made me raise an eyebrow.
     
  4. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    OK... so you do realize what needs to happen for Brand to take the next step towards tapping her true potential...? Accept it... she needs to leave Hoffenheim for Wolfsburg, or Bayern...:coffee:.

    I don't know why your so hostile on this most obvious reality... but Brand, and a even Nüsken now, are at a point in their development where they need change clubs before we ever witness their true potential.

    It's almost like seeing Essen Oberdorf, or Freiburg Bühl again. Brand moves clubs, starts adding goals alongside her genuinely impressive ability to make the correct execution for assists, she's going to become a REAL problem for any opponent to try and stop.
     
  5. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Even if Rall's still behind Hendrich, and Gwinn, after producing her best performance for MVT Vs Turkey... for such a tall athletic girl, I feel like Rall is tied 1st place alongside Knaak, for having the worst physical strength of the current wnt player pool lol. So she'll need to hit the weights before anybody see the genuine impact she should be having in defensive/offensive scenarios.

    Plus it's constantly annoying watching the way MVT sticks with this nonsense of Oberdorf, Lattwein, being wasted as CB's. Knowing both will continue to get exposed trying defend the last line of defense, like they would/should if deployed in their normal CM roles.

    I especially don't understand why, or how Wedemeyer on current form isn't in the squad ahead of Feldkamp either...:unsure: with Feldkamp's form being highly underwhelming with Hoffenheim, and still never having seen what a Kleinherne - Hegering partnership looks like. If Lattwein and Oberdorf are going to be the unique extras in MVT's plans, I'd rather the eventual Euro squad had a better dedicated CB option with the inclusion of Wedemeyer.
     
  6. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Bühl/Brand ----------------- Schüller/Freigang ---------------- Huth/Waßmuth
    ----------------- Däbritz/Popp ----------------- Magull/Marozsan -------------------
    ----------------------------------- Nüsken/Leupolz ------------------------
    Gwinn/Rauch ----- Hegering ----------------- Kleinherne ----- Hendrich/Rall
    -------------------------------- Frohms/Schult/Beger -----------------------------------

    Using form, Feldkamp should not be in this team ahead of Wedemeyer in a CB role. Dongus might be the nations best DM, and not even make any future squads. Benkarth isn't going to be in the Euro's squad if the other GK's all healthy. With Lattwein, Oberdorf, not allowed to take the field in the CM roles they've been two of the leagues best players this season...o_O

    Waiting to see Hegering - Kleinherne finally play together, the roles of Lattwein, Oberdorf, Feldkamp continue to be the strangest part of MVT's wnt.
     
  7. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    well give HOF credit for developing Brand into one of the world’s most promising players, but we can agree that she’s still got a ways to go before becoming the next Miedema(if we go by that Miedema is currently the best player in the world). Though I don’t think she’s going to become the goal scoring machine, Brand’s developing into her own, individualistic skills & personality that’s playing with a lot of confidence. I noticed how good she’s now on defense, as well as trying to take charge offensively; late in the Barca match , when she saw all her passes being waisted on her inept team mates, she took upon herself to charge right into the heart of Barca defense by herself since she knew the game was all ready decided. So she’s definitely got a lot of free spirit & finally proving wrong what that one victorious Icelandic coach once said about all German players

    I’m afraid her continued development & confidence will be lost if she switches to a club like WOB that in my book, plays a very ‘robotic’ formula. It’s more where established stars go. Has WOB actually developed any players of their own? Seems like once promising players like Stolze, Wolter, Wedermeyer & Cordes just haven’t reached their potential

    WOB’s 20+ NT’s might be good enough to currently lead the Bundesliga, but having a tough time vs foreign clubs as shown by loosing against Juve & barely scrapping by Bordeaux(even with an healthy Pajor). So to rush Brand into this toxic environment. I say no thanx!
     
  8. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Forget Miedema... if anybody remembers what Kerstin Garefrekes looked like dominating the wings for Germany, I think that's the best comparison I have for Brand to try and follow.

    ... :giggle:You honestly didn't need to see Brand playing for the senior wnt before you could understand how incorrect that statement was.

    He just wanted to be disrespectful.... and felt his team taking full advantage of Germany's worst period in decades, was the perfect opportunity to do so.

    The wnt's problems have very little concerns with it's quality of talent, or the amounts of talent it produces each junior WC cycle.
     
  9. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    ...:ROFLMAO: What are you talking about..? Wolfsburg's youth team has it's various talents playing throughout the top division. And the fact you've chosen such a poor sample of their youth development, shows how biased you are whenever discussing this subject.

    Did Wolfsburg buy it's prominence at the top of the domestic table... yes, and what elite Euro women's club hasn't done this. But it's clear your completely oblivious to the way youth football works, and the specific difficulties large clubs have trying transition elite young talents in to mature teams competing for the top trophies.

    Wolfsburg didn't want to lose a young wnt talent like Grawe, but it continues to happen for exact the same reasons Corely had to leave Bayern. It's only rare occasions someone like a Lohmann will be able to transition from a major clubs junior team star, to being one of it's senior team regulars.
     
  10. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Ughhh...:rolleyes: Wolfsburg's domestic season has also been a mess; starting with them not having a coach who knows the team, to him then not even having a defence early season, to not knowing his best mid-field, and now missing important forwards changing the way they attack.

    The idea this some kind of uniquely toxic environment exits, showcased at it's peak in WUCL competition, is nonsense. And the one thing that would help ease their current squad issues, is the one thing your constantly using as ammunition for why elite WUCL clubs end up stomping all over a club like Hoffenheim...:confused:
     
  11. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Tactically flawed, without the the needed squad depth/balance to address various weakness, Germany now has a lot of it's best domestic talents spread across too many clubs. Making an already tough domestic competition tougher, and making squad rotation for a new look WUCL competition highly problematic.

    Not only do I feel like it's made a clear and balanced WNT selection process more erratic, it's also seen the elite German clubs current squad depth struggle maintaining form with a 2 games a week schedule.

    Seeing both Nüsken, and Brand, excel for the senior wnt, knowing how much they would help Wolfbsurg, and Bayern, just seems like a waste knowing how much the wnt, the clubs, and the players, would all benefit from seeing more of the top talents playing on the same teams.

    It's makes ZERO sense seeing Knaak stink at Wolsfburg, while someone like Brand struggles to impose herself on games for Hoffenheim. And as much as I like Dallmann, your lying if your suggesting Lohmann's absence in Bayern's mid-field, wouldn't be missed as much if they had an option like Nüsken in there as a replacement.
     
  12. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #687 hotjam2, Nov 29, 2021
    Last edited: Nov 29, 2021
    Bayern could of given itself more of an German NT vibe if they only kept Dabritz, Leupolz & Hendrich, But give me one example in recent woso history where an NT strifes from their main players coming from one dominant super rich club? Certainly not the last 3 WC winners(US & Japan) or current Olympics champs, Canada, or not even top Euros. Sweden & Holland(who have rather weak domestic leagues). It’s only an assumption that Spain via Barca & it’s supposed superior tactics, will start to dominate, but so far Spain has no creds to back it up other than their broso counterparts, otherwise on the women’s side, Spain has flopped at every single major senior tourney
     
  13. Thomsen

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    Aug 6, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Who's on call this time??

    A pretty decent game though, I must say. I think Nüsken's role really amplifies the importance of a proper DM/CM who knows her duties, allowing the other midfielders to go more forward
     
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  14. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    #689 Batfink, Nov 29, 2021
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    Bayern's recruitment policy has developed to be far more advanced than Wolfsburg's, and it's seen them sign various new players to offset the past major losses to their squad, and further improve their first team.

    It was even obvious while Leupolz still with them, that Lohmann was targeted for promotion to replace their then captain; and 2 seasons after Leupolz departure, you could argue a healthy Lohmann in her early 20's, a more effective CM for Bayern than Leupolz ever was...:whistling:

    So I wouldn't critique the losses of Däbritz, Leupolz, Hendrich, as some kind of major negative. Not when Bayern's long term vision not only replaced all three, but did so with a plan to make these new domestic players part of a stronger team, that also had an unforeseen benefit of helping a poorly run wnt.

    Remove Bayern's domestic driven assent, and you lose the improvement of Simon, Bühl, Gwinn, Schüller, Hegering, Dallmann, and more from the wnt.
     
  15. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I don't think you know this, but during Japan's peak years, they had a very successful domestic club called INAC Kobe Leonessa, providing a home for a majority of the nations best domestic players...:coffee:

    And hold on... you can't even give me any good reason why players like Brand, Cerci, Nüsken, shouldn't be part of Bayern, and Wolfsburg's teams next season; yet expect me to provide evidence to explain the negative concerns of dominant super clubs, aggregating all the nations top talents...:confused: why would I do that lol...?

    I want to see Bayern, Wolfsburg, and eventually a 3rd club, provide stronger professional environments for all Germany's best players. As it not only makes it easier for the wnt coaches to identify/analyse talent, but allows more of these players to take part in a revamped WUCL.

    So this isn't about me speculating why it would be better to decrease Bundesliga competition. I want the top of the Bundesliga to improve, so the clubs beneath have to improve, 100% believing a rising tide lifts all boats..;)
     
  16. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    @hotjam2 Nüsken is a perfect fit for Bayern. Brand, and Cerci, are stylistically perfect to thrive for a Wolfsburg side in need of more quality in wide/forward areas. And when I'm seeing teams as low as 7th/8th currently possessing junior/potential senior level players, who could be better suited within a Frankfurt, or Hoffenheim, I'll still argue the league has too many good players spread across too many teams.

    Just think how this effected a club like Hoffenheim. Losing international level talents like Lattwein, Rall, Waßmuth , Pankratz, in a two year period of time, seeing them enter the UWCL with a far weaker team than the one we all saw consolidate consecutive 3rd place finishes.

    I'm currently seeing Brand making everything look easy surrounded by better players within the wnt, knowing a mediocre Knaak starts for Wolfsburg, while Brand has to go back to struggling doing everything on her own while playing for Hoffenheim..:confused:
     
  17. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nüsken isn't even a DM, and still looks better than the awful Marozsan - Däbritz double 6...:speechless: And as long as MVT continues to use CM's in CB roles, I'll always find it highly negligent from the coaches, that they never seem to understand the importance of a genuine DM presence to protect, and direct everything in front of the back 4.

    I mean England's new coach having been in her new role only a few days compared to MVT, already has them using the same system as her previous team; where you'll find a DM sitting directly in front of the CB's.

    So I know this is a MVT/Germany issue, where we've seen years of 3-4-3, 4-2-3-1, and variations of a 4-3-3, all deployed by coaches who've never addressed the CB's, or the DM.

    Are we watching a scenario MVT won't even play Hegering - Kleinherne together when healthy, because she won't play Oberdorf in a CM role, and views Marozsan - Däbritz irreplaceable..:cautious:.
     
  18. Lohmann

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    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
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  19. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Surprised Marozsan & Wassmuth’s weren’t picked but going with the same 7 of 11 starters from last game makes me feel MVT is cutting down on experimenting with too much lineup changes anymore.
    geo blocked for me, I’ll have to watch it once again in replay
     
  20. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    MVT's mid-field still makes ZERO sense, and once again we get Oberdorf having to participate in a CB role everyone but MVT knows she can't play...:confused:
     
  21. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    15 mins 0-1 Germany... Schüller scores a good header from a corner.
     
  22. Lohmann

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    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #697 Lohmann, Nov 30, 2021
    Last edited: Nov 30, 2021
    Bühl corner and Schüller header: 0:1. Deserved lead: Germany already had an offside goal by Oberdorf and two chances by Bühl.

    Great shot by Huth: 0:2

    Bühl shot hits the post.
     
  23. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    After 20 mins Germany's passing has been very erratic, not allowing them to create many chances to shoot at goal.

    I have no idea what Däbritz is supposed to be doing too, in a team that's clearly better than Portugal, but not looking to impose themselves as well as they probably should be.
     
  24. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    Close call... Germany almost goes 0-3 up but see's Buhl confuse shooting for passing lol.

    If the mid-field stops giving the ball away, Germany should be scoring 3 or 4 goals in this half, and then go for even more in the 2nd half introducing players like Brand.
     
  25. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    Deflection on a left foot Leupolz shot from makes it 0-3.
     

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