Federico Sacchi is considered one of the greatest argentinian defenders ever. El Grafico picked him in his best XI in a poll made at 1975. He's one of the 24 players, part of Argentina Hall of Fame. He started as a Left Half in a 325, but in the early 1960 he switched to a CB when Argentina adopted the back-four. Remember that Argentina adopted a different system in his numbering: Shirt numbers: 1 - 2, 3 - 4, 5, 6 - 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 Real system: (#6 deployed as a 4th defender) ------------- 1 4 ----- 2 ----- 6 ----- 3 ------5 ----------8 7 ----- 9 ----- 10 ----- 11 Brazil had a different ordering, Uruguay a different one too, comparing to european ordering based on shirt numbers.
Here is another thread re: 1966 (I did seem to think the Revie/Wright XI was a bit familiar - the one I found was Mercer/Wright of course but is the same XI exactly, so whether it actually refers to the same selection and TV/radio and also Mercer/Revie have been mixed up I'm not sure - maybe Billy Wright's influence on both selections ensured the same names appeared!) 1966 World Cup Best XI | BigSoccer Forum No ratings there but some best XIs, as the thread title indicates.
Jack Charlton must have had an 8 from the People in the 1966 semi-final vs Portugal sorry - I said a 9 before I think. He must have had an 8 vs France in the final group game too, while Bobby Moore would have had a 7 in that game. Pedro Rocha had a 6 vs Mexico in the final group game it seems. Voronin had something like a 7 and an 8 (or 6 and 9) in the semi and 3rd place game I think. Eusebio maybe more like an 8 and a 6 (or 7 and 7), since Voronin maintained a 7.6, and Eusebio dropped down from an 8 over those games.
Voronin must have been given a 7 vs Chile in the final group game too, for what it's worth (7 vs Italy, 7 vs Chile and 9 vs Hungary = an average of 7.67 over his three games up till and including the quarter finals).
Assuming Beckenbauer would have got more than a 6 vs Switzerland, and that leaderboard updates after 2 games and after the QFs are correct and don't omit him by mistake (meaning he had an average of less than 7.5 at those points), then he has a 9 or a 10 vs USSR in the semi-final I think. His ratings seem like 8-6-6-8-10-8 or 8-6-7-8-9-8 or possibly 7-6-7-8-10-8 (so a total of 46 points which is an average of 7.67 to two decimal places over the tournament too). We know Eusebio got a 10 vs North Korea. The other 10 that seems and looks feasible would be Florian Albert vs Brazil (he could have that and a 7 vs Portugal, although it could be 9 vs Brazil and 8 vs Portugal for example obviously).
but following FF's formations, Sacchi, Norman, Moore played at both CB and HB during the tournament (depending on teammates or opponents or both things maybe. Although when HB, it looks like they're more likely the 4th defender).
I read an article, critizing argentinian manager for made a "crazy lineup" vs England (Cap as RB and Sacchi as MF)
If anybody wants to sign up to Britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk for 3 free views of a page like I did, you will be able to see the 1974 World Cup People top average ratings I realise (so probably some pages with some match ratings too, like for 1966): Results for '+cruyff' | Between 1st Jan 1966 and 31st Dec 1974 | The People | Publication | British Newspaper Archive Halfway down that page, with the heading 'Neeskens is number 1' - I see that Neeskens overtook Cruyff's average rating by 0.1 after the Final, without looking at the page itself. I didn't seem to find anything for 1962, 1958 etc, before 1966, but I can't be certain that means the People definitely didn't do it earlier than 1966 (they did English league ratings from 60/61 or earlier of course). I'm thinking the most likely sources for early World Cup ratings might be the likes of Guerin Sportivo and other Italian newspapers. Italian newspapers did rate players out of 10 from as early as the 1940s in general anyway. Perhaps an Italian source or indeed France Football would have managed to do it for the Switzerland 1954 World Cup? The 1958 World Cup was well covered on TV though it seems (more than we realise now I think, from available games online, as I saw a reference to games being widely shown seemingly, at the top here): Results for 'world cup tv' | Between 1st Jan 1950 and 31st Dec 1959 | The People | Publication | British Newspaper Archive
This top page here could be of interest re: 1974 for example maybe (could have the merit marks leaderboard after 2 games, unless it includes 3rd games from groups 1 and 2 also; seems to suggest that Deyna and Lato are joint leaders at that early stage anyway...and the article mentions Cruyff somewhere, maybe because he's the other joint leader after 2 games?) Results for 'deyna cruyff' | Between 1st Jun 1974 and 30th Jun 1974 | The People | Publication | British Newspaper Archive Maybe the page right at the bottom here has the top average ratings before the Final? Results for 'beckenbauer cruyff' | Between 1st Jul 1974 and 31st Jul 1974 | The People | Publication | British Newspaper Archive The middle page here might have something for average ratings after one game each of the 2nd group phase too (although I'm not sure - the date would suggest it could well do anyway) Results for 'beckenbauer cruyff' | Between 1st Jun 1974 and 30th Jun 1974 | The People | Publication | British Newspaper Archive
Thank you very much! And do you have similar ones from the World and European Championships before 1994? They have been on the Kicker site since 1994!
And do you have other player ratings from KICKER or other German magazines for the German national team from the World and European Championships before 1994?
Yeah, like we've seen also for 1958, their 'summary team' chosen by their journalists, looks a bit different to their team based just on average ratings, which I summarised below (copied from page 1, where all the France Football ratings are posted now of course by wm4442433) Priority to top single game ratings and numbers of matches in cases of ties on average ratings: 1st XI: Schroif (Cze); Troche (Uru), Popluhar (Cze), Sacchi (Arg), Marzolini (Arg); Radakovic (Yug), Masopust (Cze); Garrincha (Bra), Sekularac (Yug), Charlton (Eng); Galic (Yug) 2nd XI: Grosics (Hun); Durkovic (Yug), Markovic (Yug), Pluskal (Cze), Schnellinger (Ger); Solymosi (Hun), Rojas (Chi); Sandor (Hun), Ivanov (USSR), Zagallo (Bra); Seeler (Ger) Leaving out Masopust seems a bit curious maybe, while their average ratings for Charlton maybe make it a bit surprising he doesn't make it either....
I see that for example Sekularac and Ivanov are placed in the middle of the 4-2-4 formation, as 'withdrawn inside forwards' I suppose (unlike with Brazil maybe that doesn't completely reflect how their teams played though I guess), so doing the same with the average ratings based teams could change things a bit to be fair....
Too late to edit, but this was my more recent attempt it it, after reflecting a bit more and verifying ratings a bit more (I forgot earlier sorry!) 1st XI: Schroijf; Durkovic, Popluhar, Marzolini; Sacchi, Masopust; Sekularac; Garrincha, Ivanov, Seeler, Charlton 2nd XI: Grosics; Troche, Markovic, Schnellinger; Norman, Rojas; Haller; Sandor, Tichy, Galic (alternatively Albert, or Albert instead of Haller even, but I think his role in Hungary's team this World Cup wouldn't fit that exactly so Haller with two games as inside forward gets the nod (otherwise could be Toro of Chile I guess, with more games played - Haller only averages 4 himself as an inside forward apparently although Becker did say he covered the opposing half back vs Yugoslavia so maybe it's not clear what Germany's system was like and I don't recall anything about that from memory - he played somewhat more defensive so not as a pure winger I guess anyway and Becker said that was too much or he didn't fancy it but FF gave him a 5 anyway), and Galic has higher top ratings and more games than Albert), Zagallo I put those teams in more like a WM (though Sacchi and Norman were more like defenders than midfielders I think, and I considered Ivanov to be fairly placed as more advanced than Sekularac but if they were both the more withdrawn inside forward and/or both considered inside rights, or lefts, predominantly, maybe it could be argued they'd not both be in and be considered for the same slot like France Football had it as per Vegan's post above).
The average of Ponedelnik does seem to be equal to Galic's (over less games though) and Albert's, and I hadn't calculated it before, so he was in the mix based on average ratings at least too. Maybe @wm442433 knows which Alvarez has been placed in France Football's XI (EDIT - it is Em Alvarez I think, and him and Troche are in effect the centre backs which does make sense in the Uruguayan tradition actually that the the 'full backs' played like that even though it makes France Football's line-ups provided with the ratings a bit misleading and I wasn't sure this would apply as late as 1962 - anyway his average rating does also match those of Popluhar and Markovic actually, although with less games played). The placing of Schnellinger might be different based on line-ups shown with average ratings as compared to the overall team they settled on (left back as opposed to centre back)? Anyway yeah, just as in 1958, including some players who went far and had a good impact even though their overall ratings were below others in their roles, on average, isn't surprising really I think (Zagallo, or Zito for example, even though that does mean Masopust and Charlton miss out since in effect Masopust and Zito are considered for the same place in the XI the way thev've done it).
For the formations/ roles, yes, that was the post #27, page 2 discussed topic. Another angle of view are the game reports into the form of articles/ write-ups that have also a shortlist of the best players per game (well, except for group I it seems, curiously). I could do something about that, maybe a bit latter. Must be Emilio... By reading the articles, he provoked the penalty against Colombia though (handball) and I can't see him mentioned later. As for Eliseo Alvarez, I only can see that he got injured in the last game against the USSR (so they played reduced to 10 men during 1 hour).
Regarding the tactical shape of teams in 1962 Fritz Walter wrote an article for "Kicker" some months after the 1962 World Cup which was titled "The WM is not dead". Here's a link to it: https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/the-wm-is-not-dead-1962-article-by-fritz-walter.1321911/
Thanks to the information posted by @wm442433 I have been able to calculate some very slightly "enriched" or "impoverished" ratings depending on the collective results obtained by their teams and here are three images. The first one belongs to the final average of all players who participated in 3 or more matches; the second one belongs to those who played 2 matches and the third one belongs to those who played only 1.
These would be the XI I found, some with several reserve teams; at the end I added the 55 best players according to the France Football rating.
Here's the France Football article (just after the tournament was over). Title : "the Great fear of the World Champions". " Vina Del Mar - the Spanish team went for broke and, for it could be done without reluctance, Herrera, their coach, eliminated three stars from the national side, Santamaria, Suarez and Del Sol, and replaced them with younger players, decided to fight with self-denial, Echeveria, Adelardo and Peiro. Against the Brazilian 4-2-4, the coach of Spain opposed a very dense defensive system on the model of the Italian catenaccio with a 'flying back' (Rodri) and defenders in charge of marking each opposing attacker individually. This way, Herrera hoped to prevent the Brazilians to play by depriving them of the ball and counted on the inexhaustible fighting spirit of his players in order to realize the feat of this competition : to eliminate Brazil. It almost happened and it is during this match that the Brazilian fans, who came by hundreds, trembled the most. Indeed, during more than an hour, the Spanish team acted exactly as Herrera hoped for. Not only its defense did wonders but its attack, where the style of Puskas and Gento joined in wedlock with the exuberence of Collar, Adelardo and Peiro, turned out to be extremely fearsome. A goal was scored by Adelardo at the 34th minute after a short dribble followed by a pass by Puskas. This advantage not only was hold but was about to be aggravated (especially by Peiro), until the 72nd minute. But, at that very moment moment, a Brazilian combination initiated by Zito and Vava was followed by a cross by Zagallo that the Pelé's substitute, Amarildo, transformed into a goal, by leaping quicker than the Spanish defenders. Spain then missed to take back the lead by Vergès whilst Gilmar seemed to be beaten. And she conceded, by Amarildo again, with a header, from a cross by Garrincha, a second goal that definitively condemned her. The Brazilian team were true to their reputation by their overall value and the indiviual feats of Garrincha and Amarildo. But they shown that they could be beaten by a latin team that is lively, inspired, and 'sticking to the ball' ceaselessly. The whole Spanish team fought with exemplary bravery and lucidity and would have deserved a better result."