Or are they examples of the flash lag bias of the errors most refs make when standing on the sideline? Because here's some examples of people really screwing up in person. And these were some of the refs identified as the rising stars of youth refs in MN in front of a national coach and the SDI. What errors are the 40 year old pot belly ref making who thinks they're decent but can barely move?
Completely agree. While the videos are deliberately close, watching the video we are in a much better position to get them right--stationary, focused on one thing, not worried about our next move, etc. What it shoes is these are hard!! It's harder on the field when we are in motion, don't know when the moment of judgment is going to come, the ball may not be readily in focus at the same time as the potentially OSP players, and are watching for other things as well. I think there are two take-aways. 1. Unless we are very focused, we are going to get a lot of these close calls wrong. 2. Flash lag is very real, and we really need to believe the mantra of when it doubt, keep it down, as most likely we are right. (And I suppose, 3. we are lucky that most OS calls in real life are not this close.) BTW, I believe that MLS ARs do these tests on a routine basis as part of their training to be able to get it right on the field. @coreyrock might be able to fill us in more on what they specifically do. And final note: wouldn't it be fun to force screaming parents to do this test!
The video seems to show an over-focus on the positioning, which leads to missing the ball contact. My guess is they are using perceived ball motion to judge kick, which mistimes it badly.
Sorry-- Is flash lag an optical illusion which "moves" an object farther in your eyes than where it really is/was?
Wow, that's crazy. How do they make the call then? Try to keep the passer in their peripheral vision?
Yes. Head on a swivel and tracking both. (We really need to do that, too, as not all passes are loud enough to rely on sound.) No one ever said this was easy . . .
Hmm. You and I must have had a different class of fans/coaches/subs sitting behind us all the times we ran lines.
I had a partner get fooled when he popped for offside because he had heard the *defender* play the ball.
Definitely not easy, especially if play is close to the touchline. Even in the PRO video it looks like most of the ARs are looking directly at the defender and would not (easily) be able to see the passer at almost a 90 degree angle!
No games this weekend d/t Thanksgiving and I just realized that, besides Labor Day weekend, it's my first weekend completely without games since July 4 weekend. Tournaments every weekend of July and August League games or a few random tournaments every weekend of September, October, and November until now Only one weekend off in 21 weekends from July 10/11 to now. Feels weird, boring.
My wife and I just started watching and love this show too. Did you get to the "outside agent interference" episode yet? (You will know if you did) I had to explain to my wife that they did not use the correct restart, which sadly would have changed the episode's narrative
On a seminar in NC where they will be introducing a program similar to what we've seen in the UK where minor referees will be wearing a wristband to identify them. I don't expect massive changes overnight, but at least the state youth soccer admins have identified the growing issue and are trying something.
I’ve thought a lot about this. I like the idea of a special wristband or armband color to identify young (under 18) or inexperienced (two years or less) officials. Looking on Amazon, you can get an 11-pack of white or black armbands for $22.68. That may have the opposite effect for some people, but I like the idea of some ID to say we have a young referee who is learning and needs to have some “breathing room”. Any chance you can send details by private message? I’ve just started my role, and I’m looking for ideas like this to emphasize the critical need of developing our young officials.
I really don't get it. Young refs, well, look young. I just don't see anything that suggests it will help them get treated better. I just don't see the shirts or wristbands doing anything more than suggesting in some warped way that the youth refs aren't "real" refs. I would have absolutely loathed it back (way back . . .) when I was a youth ref. To me, it is an example of a well-intentioned but nonetheless bad idea.
The way it was explained was that any punishments related to behavior towards youth refs will be greatly increased going forward. So the wristband is your "STFU" warning. Of course if the referees never deal with the issue...well...
And if the youth ref forgets the wristband some day, or if it's covered by a long sleeve shirt in cold weather ... Is that a "Get Out of Jail Free" card for the offender? "Sorry review board members, I didn't know it was a youth ref because I couldn't see the wrist band."