Things we See

Discussion in 'Referee' started by DefRef, Jun 17, 2019.

  1. DefRef

    DefRef Member

    Jul 3, 2017
    Storrs CT
    Man, the 3 HS games I have done this week had a combined score of 26-0. If you include the 2 college club games I did over the weekend, it is 37-1. And in every game, the scoring was basically done in the 1st half. Not a lot of competitive soccer happening around me. Easy money, but boringggggg. :sleep:
     
  2. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    I have a rough one coming my way tomorrow. And it will be close to 90. Did I mention we are on turf?
     
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  3. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Went to my niece's 8U game. Gotta love those. GK makes a save (yes, they used GKs in that league :rolleyes:), so a defender runs over to give her a big hug . . . half time my niece comes over to see us, then suddenly realizes it's half time: "It's snack time!!" and off she runs . . .
     
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  4. Bubba Atlanta

    Bubba Atlanta Member+

    Mar 2, 2012
    Yep, Atlanta
    Club:
    Atlanta United FC
    The best part of the game ...
     
  5. Dayton Ref

    Dayton Ref Member+

    May 3, 2012
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
     
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  6. Sam_C

    Sam_C Member

    Manchester City
    Brazil
    Jun 19, 2018
    My last game of the college showcase weekend the center kept his pink fox mini in his mouth for 79 out of 80 minutes; who needs a molten flip grip!?!? :whistling:
     
  7. Bubba Atlanta

    Bubba Atlanta Member+

    Mar 2, 2012
    Yep, Atlanta
    Club:
    Atlanta United FC
    You sure he didn't just run with his tongue out? :cautious:
     
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  8. Sam_C

    Sam_C Member

    Manchester City
    Brazil
    Jun 19, 2018
    Shit, I think he may have been a husky... he dealt with the snowy weather so well...
     
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  9. DefRef

    DefRef Member

    Jul 3, 2017
    Storrs CT
    Doing a premier tournament for my first games of the year - yea!

    I am AR2 on a field that is right next to the road at the huge (19 fields) MYSA complex. Behind AR1 are 2 yellow road signs with black stick figure indicating watch out for pedestrians. The yellow color is very close to ref shirt color. Every time I would turn my head, my brain was telling me AR1 is trying to signal something.

    Very annoying. YHTBT
     
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  10. Bubba Atlanta

    Bubba Atlanta Member+

    Mar 2, 2012
    Yep, Atlanta
    Club:
    Atlanta United FC
  11. Sam_C

    Sam_C Member

    Manchester City
    Brazil
    Jun 19, 2018
    I was watching the replay of my alma mater playing in their state semi-final, and I saw this KFTM positioning. Can anyone think of a rational explanation for everyone being 'out of position?' No, the video is not flipped, and for most of the shots the keeper who was waiting went to the opposite side of the AR :confused:

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    Note: Don't think there's a newer thread available... Sorry for resurrecting this if there is.
     
  12. SA14mars

    SA14mars Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Dallas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There are lots of reasons why it might have been necessary. Did the crew run a right diagonal during the game?
     
  13. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    I've always wondered how running an opposite diagonal would go in a game. On grass fields by early-mid November after a summer and fall season, a lot of times the AR quadrant sideline will be worn down nearly to dirt. Seems like running an opposite diagonal so the AR quadrant is on pristine grass would make sense, but I never bothered to do it.
     
  14. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    thats a tuf field, so the worn grass isn’t an issue.

    my theory is AR1 didn’t want to hear all the chatter from a coach.
     
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  15. RefGil

    RefGil Member

    Dec 10, 2010
    And why is the lead AR so close to the goal? You're practically distracting the keeper. Can't you see in/out/off the line from a few yards back?
     
  16. tomek75

    tomek75 Member+

    Aug 13, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    This is the officialpositioning for KFTM. The AR is way to close to the goal. Aditionally the R is a bit too close as well. Determining which side to stand on could have many factors, including lighting, presence of fans, etc...
     
  17. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    See the shadows. I'm guessing it was because if the R was in standard position, the low sun is almost exactly behind the kicker for the R.

    I don't think the AR is close enough to bother a GK, though I'm struggling to see what he is gaining by being closer. Perhaps now that he has the sun across from him it was easier to see? (Of course, it may just be bad positioning, though you would hope to not have that issue in a state semi-final. But if the AR is used to dual, I believe that is not far from the recommended position for the LR in a dual. Worst positioning on a PK I ever saw was a dual in which the lead stood on the field with an hand on the goal post . . . .)

    I don't see any reason reversing sides is a problem.

    As an aside, I would note that the sun suggests a reverse diagonal would be a bad idea. From a sun perspective, you want to run the same diagonal as your shadow, as that is what best minimizes looking into the sun by the referee team.
     
  18. Sam_C

    Sam_C Member

    Manchester City
    Brazil
    Jun 19, 2018
    #93 Sam_C, Nov 19, 2021
    Last edited: Nov 19, 2021
    Well, I'm wondering what those reasons are if you don't mind. Normal left diagonal.

    He's AR2, and closer to the coaches though :laugh:

    Sun-related issues seem to make the most sense for a swap like this, but earlier in the match when the camera is still panning around it looks like the sun is completely set.
     
  19. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    Isn't it a night game? Beyond the track looks to be in relative darkness, and the idle keeper looks to be throwing two shadows, I think the guys on the track also. It's odd though that more dual shadows aren't apparent.
     
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  20. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Hmm. given the strength of the single shadow, I presumed the sun was still setting. I suppose weird lighting could be a reason, though that seems less likely.

    The primary reason I have run reverse diagonals is sun. We have a field we used to use regularly where the sun would rise over the corner flag, so on early morning games, as R I would often be looking straight into the sun to see my AR. By reversing to run the shadow, I wasn't doing that, and my AR on the look-into-the sun side also was not typically looking directly into the sun to see play or to see me. It really makes a big difference in those scenarios.

    The other reason to run a reverse is field conditions, particularly for the AR. Sometimes the mud is awful for the traditional diagonal and not the reverse, in part because fields that are used regularly get torn up on the standard AR path. I've also been on fields that have obstacles--a jump pit or a tree--that get in the way of one of the ARs in a standard diagonal. (These are unlikely (albeit not impossible) in a stadium field like the one in the picture.)
     
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  21. davidjd

    davidjd Member+

    Jun 30, 2000
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    At one point, the Surf Cup was required by the field owners to run an opposite diagonal the second weekend. You know, because the fields needed to be in excellent shape for their built purpose of horses running on them for the polo matches.
     
  22. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    Call it Goofy-Foot Weekend!
     
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  23. Bubba Atlanta

    Bubba Atlanta Member+

    Mar 2, 2012
    Yep, Atlanta
    Club:
    Atlanta United FC
    I used to run a reverse once a season just to remind myself what it was like and give my ARs a chance to experience it.

    I got over that.
     
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  24. fischietto

    fischietto Member

    Apr 13, 2018
    this does not appear to be the case in this situation…

    but one time I did a reverse diagonal positioning from KFTM because it was SO windy I actually stood nearly over the ball to try and block some wind for the kicker
     
  25. DefRef

    DefRef Member

    Jul 3, 2017
    Storrs CT
    My guess is that the refs are from a state like mine where 98% of all HS games are dual ref games. And many non-USSF refs have never carried a flag, but because of "good ol boys" or whatever, got assigned as AR in a state tournament game. And they flat out don't know what the proper position is.
     

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