2022 WC Qualifiers

Discussion in 'Ecuador - National Team' started by Primitive Ways, Jul 17, 2018.

  1. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    From an honest Chilean user this I what they would need to make it.

    siendo optimista con ilusión, Chile podría llegar al repechaje con resultados ajenos, y, ganándole a Uruguay y Bolivia, perder con Brasil y empatar o perder con Argentina.

    Se que es casi imposible pero veamos
     
  2. Allan_Somewhere

    Aug 6, 2016
    Club:
    AC Milan
    It's crazy to think how far we've come this past decade and the credit goes to IDV, Zubeldia, and Celico.

    They pioneered a youth movement that we're seeing the fruits of today.

    I just hope the players keep growing and don't stagnate because they really make me hopeful that we'll finally win the Copa America in our home turf (2024).
     
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  3. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    That would be incredible....
     
  4. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    For the case being, as incredible as it may seem, Vidal during his whole life career, has only played 2 times, specifically against Argentina in WC qualifiers (last was for 2014 WC qualifiers played in 2011, where they scorched us, 1-4). Somehow he always manages to be left out of the game due to cumulative yellow cards in prior games, or direct red cards as it will be now, for our next match to come, against them.

    As another issue, not meaningless, is that our record for the last 20 years playing in La Paz (Bolivia) at WC qualifiers, is 3 wins against 1 loss.
     
  5. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Thanks for the stats - you've brought up some interesting points.

    Good luck against Bolivia in La Paz. We're definitely going to see some fireworks in the upcoming games as the tournament wraps up.
     
  6. GPisco

    GPisco Member

    Jul 22, 2014
    Toronto, On
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Ecuador played amazing although at certain points there were a few mistakes which could’ve changed the outcome in Chiles favour. They failed to really tuck the game away early. The phrase “Goles que no hace te hacen” kept running through my mind. All in all they got the 3 points but more importantly the made their statement and definitely a big confidence boost.

    Everyone has a bad day at the office but Estrada cannot be missing all of those chances. I think this is on Alfaro as well because that sub was long overdue.

    Looking at our next 4 games I wanna see us play with a consistent identity which should be more than enough to get us those last 2-3 points. Ecuador need to pull an Ecuador to not qualify.
     
  7. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    If you only manage to beat Perú, you are in a strong position to secure at least 4th position (last direct spot for the WC), as in goal diferentiate, none of the other teams is even close to what Ecuador already has. Do so, and you could lose all 3 of the other games and still make it through.
     
  8. Primitive Ways

    Primitive Ways Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Do you guys have any good YouTube channels with analysis?
    All I can find are videos with lame ass titles that don’t say much.
     
  9. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Galeria de gol is good. Sabiomanager too.
     
  10. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
  11. Primitive Ways

    Primitive Ways Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Who comes up with these crazy rumors?

    I read early today that Liverpool wants Castillo.
     
  12. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    When you think about it you know how many coaches we didn't have faith in and ended up being very successful. He reminds me of Celico in a way. I think we will preform in the world cup.

    Our players went threw alot of pressure recently. I think come wc we will be alot more prepared.
     
  13. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    They are in need of a rb. Anything could happen.
     
  14. Emelectric15

    Emelectric15 Member

    Emelec, LA Galaxy
    Ecuador
    Mar 13, 2005
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    #2189 Emelectric15, Nov 17, 2021
    Last edited: Nov 17, 2021
    Hey fellas it's been a long time since I posted but honestly I was frustrated with the directivos and the bad coaching choices I still followed from a far but wasn't vested in the process. I felt the Ecua NT was going in the wrong direction. I have been very pleased to see this recambio it's been a long time coming. South American teams have a tendency to hold on to their past too much and resist change. We see this with Chile and Uruguay currently. Celico and IDV have in large part played a key role in this transition with focus on youth development.

    Question, is it too far fetched to think Alfaro could give Felipao a call? I know that guy isn't popular in Ecuador and nothing against Estrada he has done a good job for the most part but I feel like Felipao has the experience that is lacking a bit. I still believe Estrada and Enner are good choices but getting Felipao back could be Alfaro's last ace under the sleeve maybe? lol, anyways good day fellas.
     
  15. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    They have Trent Alexander Arnold who's first choice without a doubt. They also have Deco Williams as his backup.

    It'd be a good play for them from a financial standpoint tbh. They can buy low on him and loan him out to a lesser European league so he adapts to European football. If ecuador qualifies for the world cup and he has a good showing they can sell him for a substantial profit.
     
  16. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    For the case of Chile, it´s not resistance to change, but our only option. Local clubs in Chile finished making strong investment in younger players squads about 25 years ago, as they found out that it was lots cheaper, to buy them elsewhere instead. So most of our younger player squads, are made up of lots of players from diferent countries, and as time goes by, year after year, you see less "chilean" players among them, which means that replacement players for our NT, as years go by each time we see less of them. So we can only stick to our older players as long as we can.

    In 5-7 more years, being optimistic, we will be competing only with Venezuela for the last spot at Conmebol. Most likely, even Venezuela will kick our buts, most of the times.:(
     
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  17. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Good to have you back brother. Felipao's chance to come back was last year when Alfaro was building his squad. I think him coming back now wouldn't be in the best interests of the national team and it goes beyond what he can bring to the pitch. Dude can still contribute when he's healthy. How would the current guys take this tho? The current guys have been in the trenches together. They've battled together on the pitch. They've faced the criticisms of the fans and the media. They were part of the process from the beginning when everyone counted them out. It's not fair for someone to come in and reap the glory when their contribution was non existent. I am thankful for what he brought to the national team in the past. I don't blame him for walking away from the national team either. His time has passed tho. Same applies to Ramirez.
     
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  18. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I believe they've both been on record saying there is no interest to play for the NT anymore - whatever the reason may be. Felipao, for the most part, would have likely been our most consistent player and would have been more battle tested than Estrada, but admittedly, on the NT, besides bagging a few big goals, would also be absent up front in certain games. This has probably been the most problematic position for us to fill since the retirement of Tin Delgado and Carlos Tenorio.
     
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  19. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I don't see Felipe coming back or even wanting to. The dude is playing in a good league and making good money. Ramirez tho? It wouldn't surprise me to see him change his mind. He's still at an age where he can move to a better league and there's no better showcase than a world cup.

    How old was El Tin when he matured as a striker? With a player like him I think we'd be set.
     
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  20. Emelectric15

    Emelectric15 Member

    Emelec, LA Galaxy
    Ecuador
    Mar 13, 2005
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I get what you're saying and that was my initial take as well. It would be a risk bringing him in this late but really there is still a year until the WC which short of a catastrophe Ecuador will attend. As far as what the other players would think it's hard to say, remember in the 2006 qualifiers C. Tenorio was a bit of a late addition and it worked out. Felipao is a guy that's been around the block, these young kids might see in him that leadership and experience. Anyways I'm probably just being obtuse at this point and wanting something that is far-fetched. Thinking about it you're probably right it would send a bad message to the team who grinded out this whole qualifier BUT I do think if somehow this could happen Alfaro might be the guy that could make it work.
     
  21. Emelectric15

    Emelectric15 Member

    Emelec, LA Galaxy
    Ecuador
    Mar 13, 2005
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    You're probably right he might not even want to come back. Wasn't Kaviedes in a similar situation and came back? It's just hard for me to understand why he wouldn't want to be a part of something like this and play in a WC.

    Christian Ramirez is a good player I would welcome him back for sure but we aren't in a desperate need for a LB we are kind of in need of a striker though. Again no disrespect to Estrada and Enner but Enner has exceled more as a winger on the NT and Estrada is not in good form he is not even starting for Toluca lately.
     
  22. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I don't recall what was Kaviedes' situation tbh. In regards to Felipe tho he's publicly said that his cycle with the national team is over. You never know what can happen tho.

    Ramirez is a good player. He could have challenged Pervis for his spot. I honestly don't know why he chose to walk away from the national team at a such a young age.

    Estrada isn't having a good campaign with Toluca. It's possible his bad form carried over to the national team. Dude didn't have a good game. He missed several clear scoring opportunities. He had Moises open on the right during a counter but he chose to shoot the ball instead. If Toluca loses against pumas I'm sure Alfaro will call him up for the friendly against el Salvador. Hopefully he can bag a couple so he regains his confidence. Dude has to get out of Toluca. It's time for a change.
     
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  23. Emelectric15

    Emelectric15 Member

    Emelec, LA Galaxy
    Ecuador
    Mar 13, 2005
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    #2198 Emelectric15, Nov 17, 2021
    Last edited: Nov 17, 2021
    That is a good point that seems to be an issue with lot's of NT's in South America and even North America. The investment in youth development just isn't there. The Ecuador NT has been fortunate to turn the page and find a way to invest in the youth. IDV has done a good job developing selling many of their young players. Just how profitable it is though who knows they seem be changing a bit going away from that philosophy since the teams only get a cut from a sale and G. Plata for instance went to Sporting in Portugal for a low fee and IDV only got a small take along with part ownership of the player. Now Sporting don't want to sell him to coerce the rest of the sale so when it's all said and done the profits in this business model might not be beneficial enough to the institutions outside of maybe Arg, Bra, and Mex. Europe has an advantage in this regard as they can invest in youth, vitriniarlos and get big payoffs.
     
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  24. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Gonzalo was sold to sporting for 1.21m usd. Hincapie was sold to Talleres for 1.49. The fact that they still own a percentage means they will get more money in a future sell. These are only 2 player. When you look at how many players they are sending aboard alone. Not to mention their good runs in Copa. They are making a nice amount of profit for an Ecuadorian team that doesn't have the same fan base and sponsors as LDU, CSE, and BSC.


    Their profit turn around is probably more in recent years compared to the other top 3 team mentioned.
     
  25. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Agreed - IDV's core business is the development of young players and selling them off. They run that team like a business and operate according to profit-driven motives...unlike most other clubs. Their investment into the training grounds and other onsite infrastructure is a sight to behold. I saw it with my own eyes in 2011 when I spent a ton of time in Ecuador doing work for my master's degree. Their investment had a long term payoff and vision, but because they were building for the future, they could withstand the pressures of losing games and thus far never winning a national title.

    What are the results:
    -a revolving door of exported talent
    -a Copa Sudamericana
    -a juvenil Copa Libertadores
    -Profits reinvested into the acquisition of a 3rd division club in Spain
    -arguably the best youth infrastructure/development system in South America

    Liga, BSC, and CSE will never have that luxury of time as those teams have been around for decades longer than IDV and their fanbase just won't stand for mediocre results...one of the reasons why we see coach sackings, player signings, and a focus on domestic league output. These are institutions whereas IDV is an efficient business. The next best cantera in Ecuador is probably Liga. From there, I'm not sure who else has a huge scope of youth development operations except for CSE, BSC, and Aucas, but all pale in comparison to what IDV and a lesser extent Liga do- they invested in fields, gyms, schools, psychologists, consistent nutrition.

    In the summer of 2003, I played for a summer with El Nacional's formativas while spending a summer there as a teenager, and looking back at that system, it was bound to fail. I think I was with the Sub 14s or 15s, but those kids got a glass of milk and a banana or bread after a training session, and enough money to ride the bus back home. We played on a shitty field on a military base in the southern fringes of Quito. Most of the kids were pretty lean and skinny. Clearly underdeveloped for the amount of calories they were burning daily...and they could still ball out. We've come a long way.

    Most teams don't invest deeply into youth development because it's expensive and fans demand results now...despite poor attendance across all teams in the league.
     
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