Bad stories

Discussion in 'Referee' started by Law5, Oct 27, 2021.

  1. Irrover

    Irrover New Member

    Jan 6, 2014
    Club:
    Ventura County F.
    This happened at state cup earlier this year. Before a B16 game, I was told that Player A received a red previous game and could not play by the State Cup officials. Before checking in team, when introducing myself to coach, I mentioned the player on a red and that he would not be playing and he stated he wouldn't. We then check in the team and one player looks like the picture of Player A (small bad photo on roster) so I ask him his name and he says "B". Ok, so a bad photo of a 16 year old when he was 13. Allot could change in that time. Coach signs roster that all is in order. During the first half, other players start calling out Player A's name. During a stop in play, I again ask his name and he says B and another player says A is B's middle name. We play out the remainder of the half and return to the ref tent where the State Cup officials are and I mentioned my suspicions to them. They took the roster and went over to the Coach and he admitted they were indeed playing the ineligble player. State Cup officials come back to me and tell me the game is a forfeit and to stay in the ref tent until the team and parents left the area. They stated the coach would most likely get suspended for a while.
     
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  2. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Suspended a very long while I would hope. And the player should be too.
     
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  3. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    I recall an instance long ago (so the details may be fuzzy) where several players one year too old for a league and State Cup division were discovered. The coaches and admins who had engineered the fraud were suspended for what amounted to life, and the players after a short suspension were allowed back into play provided that they play at least a year above their actual age.
     
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  4. AlextheRef

    AlextheRef Member

    Jun 29, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dealing with the annoying part of college soccer this week.

    I worked a college conference tournament match last weekend where the underdog won in KFTPM. The game was not easy and there were multiple close decisions. The losing-team's coach is a known "difficult" college coach to referee. In fact, after the game, the crew decided to leave the pitch immediately because we knew that staying around for handshakes would likely lead to a coach ejection.

    Less than an hour after the match ends the coach is already trying to email clips (he believes were incorrect) to the league's assignor. I'm not privvy to all the correspondence, but I have been asked to review clips and provide explanations for my decisions on more than one day. Now, thankfully, there were multiple cameras and my main decisions involving that team are correct/supported by the video and the rules.

    My gripe here is the mindset of these kinds of coaches. I get that this is their full time job, and a lot of their compensation/job-retention is based on results. I also get that it's unfair if an incorrect referee decision influences their job. But why, for some coaches, is the first instinct to search for a reason to shift blame on the referees? What is the benefit to that? I could go on...

    I'm not going to give up too much factual information, but the losing team made both defensive and offensive mistakes that were far worse than any 'mistake' the referee crew made. For example, they had a potential game winning goal pulled out of the net because an unmarked player completely wide open on the far post couldn't stay onside (i.e. the player couldn't stay behind the ball being passed across the goal area when the team beat an offside trap on a free kick). I'd be willing to bet this particular coach is less critical of those mistakes than he has been about close KMIs that were ultimately correct.
     
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  5. soccerdad72

    soccerdad72 Member

    Chelsea
    United States
    Apr 5, 2021
    You'd like to think that after losing a heart breaker like that, the coach would still be spending time with his players, not running off to his office to compile a list of grievances. Sigh.
     
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  6. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    Well he's got the "Courage to change those things I can" part down, all right.
     
  7. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When said coach meets with his AD, is he going to say, "Well, I screwed up my tactics and also ran my guys too hard at practice this week" or, "That stupid ref cost my team the game?"

    Which one is going to give him a better chance of his boss (the AD) thinking it wasn't the coach's fault?
     
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  8. voiceoflg

    voiceoflg Member+

    Dec 8, 2005
    Depends on how much the AD knows about soccer.
     
  9. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    Do you really not know? Coaches, players, fans all blame the refs for one simple reason: It's easier to blame a "neutral third party" for your problems rather than taking responsibility yourself that your team/performance wasn't good enough to win. This is also a microcosm for the world at large where people blame certain groups of people for being the cause of their own self-caused problems.
     
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  10. Bubba Atlanta

    Bubba Atlanta Member+

    Mar 2, 2012
    Yep, Atlanta
    Club:
    Atlanta United FC
    They lose because of us, they win in spite of us.
     
  11. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    And the horse we rode in on
     
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  12. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  13. threeputzzz

    threeputzzz Member+

    May 27, 2009
    Minnesota
    Stuff like this is exactly why I decided to quit. "Considering" criminal charges? Oh, that will change the atmosphere for sure.
     
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  14. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Agree--what's to consider? That is unambiguous recorded evidence of battery.
     
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  15. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    only way this idiot sees even 15 days in jail is if the AR is a minor, if the AR is a adult then they will say the AR provoked the confrontation by entering the field of play. We never win...sigh
     
  16. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, wifey knows the danger and she is ready for me to quit...but it's in my blood.
     
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  17. sam_gordon

    sam_gordon Member+

    Feb 27, 2017
    In addition to the parent assault (and yes, IMO, that's exactly what it is), two coaches from white ended up on the field (before the assault), along with three subs. North Cal I think would be justified in banning the team until next summer and fining the club.
     
  18. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    during a game between two teams of 15-year-old boys

    https://www.kcra.com/article/roseville-referee-parent-youth-soccer-game/38277303 if interested


    Googled "california assaulting sports official." I guess if battery is determined to have happened, this establishes the maximum sentence, I have no idea what passes for reasonable doubt in Roseville these days, been too long away.

    At first I thought the language in (a) might exclude youth sports' officials, but (b) seems to tighten that up, thankfully.



    2011 California Code
    Penal Code
    PART 1. OF CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS [25 - 680]
    CHAPTER 9. Assault and Battery
    Section 243.8


    Universal Citation: CA Penal Code § 243.8 (through 2012 Leg Sess)
    (a) When a battery is committed against a sports official immediately prior to, during, or immediately following an interscholastic, intercollegiate, or any other organized amateur or professional athletic contest in which the sports official is participating, and the person who commits the offense knows or reasonably should know that the victim is engaged in the performance of his or her duties, the offense shall be punishable by a fine not exceeding two thousand dollars ($2,000), or by imprisonment in the county jail not exceeding one year, or by both that fine and imprisonment.



    (b) For purposes of this section, sports official means any individual who serves as a referee, umpire, linesman, or who serves in a similar capacity but may be known by a different title or name and is duly registered by, or a member of, a local, state, regional, or national organization engaged in part in providing education and training to sports officials.



    (Added by Stats. 1991, Ch. 575, Sec. 1.)
     
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  19. Gary V

    Gary V Member+

    Feb 4, 2003
    SE Mich.
    Hopefully they are considering what charges, not whether.
     
  20. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    While a decision on criminal charges is pending, NorCal Premier has already suspended the team's coach for "failing to control his team's spectators." It is also recommending the team be suspended from future games until June 30, 2022.​
     
  21. Bubba Atlanta

    Bubba Atlanta Member+

    Mar 2, 2012
    Yep, Atlanta
    Club:
    Atlanta United FC
    You guys are making me sad ... but also a little bit more determined on my almost-final decision not to go back out on the pitch next year. :(
     
  22. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    It's unfortunate that the TV station edited the video to start in what appears to be the middle of the dispute, with two coaches and two substitutes already on the field.
     
  23. MJ91

    MJ91 Member

    United States
    Jan 14, 2019
    If that's what you're deciding, you're in the wrong thread! Try this one instead ;).
     
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  24. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    I know the head of discipline for NorCal (the league this is in). He has made a point in the past that referees who are victims of assault like this file criminal charges. I hope Moe holds the assaulted AR to the same standard. Jail time is the only way this kind of stuff will stop.
     
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  25. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    As best I know in CA, what the R/AR can do is file a police report. It is then up to the prosecutor’s office to decide whether to file criminal charges.
     

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