Pre-match: USA @ Jamaica WCQ 11/16 5 pm ET

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  1. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Eggzactly. Plus you prompted a little compliment I had in store for Berhalter, He gave us a team for the first time on Friday and I think Gregg's relationship with Euro FO's was a big help in that,

    Klinsmann always had a chilly relationship with FO's, as if they were antagonists and double dealers. ("no I don't want your MRI, you have to report and we will make our own MRI" - said to Donovan but you could see it was a habit.)

    You gotta give to get.
     
  2. cyberthoth

    cyberthoth Member+

    Nashville SC
    Aug 7, 2000
    Nashville, TN
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's not a national team coach on the planet who's calling in (and playing at the expense of veterans) more young players than GGG. Of all the things people him for this one is the most ridiculous to me.

    Gregg is obviously high on Scally and he'll get his chances. Probably against Jamaica but if not that's not the worst thing in the world either. A smart coach puts his players in a position to succeed. That happens for Scally when he has a stable club situation and is stepping onto the field with National Teammates that he has enough reps with to be on the same page.

    It really shouldn't have to be said but the former is even more important for defensive players than offensive. This is the real world. It's not a video game where you can just plug in young players.
     
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  3. frankburgers

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    May 31, 2016
    Roldan is definitely not the more complete player. At all.
     
  4. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Roldan can play fullback, 10, winger, dmid, 8, and he scores and assists in a pinch,

    Maybe somebody who follows Venezia more can clarify but what little I saw this season, it seems he started as a 6 or DLP and when they realized he was a playmaker they put him out wide to give him a better view of the pitch and brought in another body to play dmid (Tessman getting more minutes too, I think?)
     
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  5. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As expected
     
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  6. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    Only one replacement guarantees that Scally will dress on Tuesday
     
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  7. Calling BS

    Calling BS Member+

    Orlando City
    United States
    Jan 25, 2020
    Right. And the fact that BMG gave him time off instead of training during last window was a reflection of BMG’s inferior coaching abilities also?
     
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  8. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    well, we could dress all 3 keepers. and you gotta admit- that would be one of most hardcore trolls imaginable.
     
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  9. winster

    winster Member

    Jul 7, 2008
    Club:
    Besiktas JK
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Considering basically half of Jamaica's team plays in Europe and the other half plays in MLS, this really shouldn't be a huge advantage for Jamaica.

    Jamaica is coming off a game in El Salvador so maybe they are better acclimatized than the US which played in Cinci. However, San Salvador at 800PM is typically in the low-mid 70s (and not super humid in November). So even that won't be a huge advantage if it is actually blazing hot in Jamaica
     
  10. YNWA Rob

    YNWA Rob Member+

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Nov 12, 2020
    Indiana
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Total 2-finger salute combined with Euro hand on bicep uppercut punch to USMNT Twitter!
     
  11. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  12. Three and Three

    Three and Three Member+

    Sep 13, 2015
    Club:
    New England Revolution
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  13. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The notion Ferreira is a bad defender is false.

    Pressures:

    Ferreira - top 19%

    Successful Pressures:

    Ferreira: top 10%

    Successful Pressure %:

    Ferreira - top 11%

    Tkl + int's:

    Ferreira - top 11%

    dribblers tackled:

    Ferreira: top 4%

    % of dribblers tackled:

    Ferreira - top 7%

    Busio doesn't stack up poorly here, but you see a big deficiency in his pressure efficiency (bottom 1/4), displaying he'll try, but not succeed a lot, and get caught out of position to allow an attacker into a dangerous area.

    That's what you see in Italy when you watch him. Often times players just run by him. And he can get bullied. They allow physicality in CCAF. Aaronson handles the middle just fine now in UCL, but not CCAF where he's little bro'ed. We saw this with Busio in GC.

    We haven't seen this little bro'ing of Ferreira, yet. They both can pick out a pass in the midfield, but if Ferreira needs to, he can progress off the dribble. He's top 3/4 in MLS when he tries. Busio is bottom 1%. So that's not even an option he has, which Ferreira does. And you're getting even more final 3rd contribution from Ferreira. Wes was the best (of a questionable lot) in that area of the MMA midfield. Busio reps a huge drop-off.

    Gregg should start Ferreira and drop him in the hole under Pepi. Musah and Adams can handle a double-pivot behind them.
     
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  14. xbhaskarx

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    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Roldan is the more versatile player than Busio, definitely not the more complete player. Two very different things.
    Roldan's versatility is why it makes sense to have him as the last man on the roster for these windows, even though he's never really been all that productive at the national team level.

    Roldan or Lletget starting over Busio would be... very annoying.

    That's because they might be?
     
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  15. Mahtzo1

    Mahtzo1 Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    So Cal
    #115 Mahtzo1, Nov 14, 2021
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    this is only indirectly... related to this thread but I didn't know where to put it:

    now that the first Mexico USA game is out of the way and we are sitting in first on equal points with Mexico i thought I'd look at the rest of the schedule. the top four teams are separated by a mere 3 points (Panama has really been surpassing expectations) and my SWAG of potential points for the top four teams (assuming each wins the remainder of their home games and only picks up away points from the bottom four teams) is as follows: USA 23-27 pts, Mexico 26-30pts, Canada 22-27 pts, Panama 23-26 pts. The first number represents winning all remaining home games and losing all remaining away games. the second represents a win and a draw away against the bottom half (except for Panama which only has one bottom half away which is given as an away win). It is pretty clear that we are in a good spot right now, but don't have much room for error either.

    Obviously, it won't work that way for every team but I think it gives a pretty good framework to guess what we need to do to guarantee a spot.

    USA and Canada have the fewest home games (3) but Canada's is more difficult with Mexico, USA and Jamaica compared to USA's El Salvador, Honduras, and Panama.

    Mexico and Panama both have 4 home games and their level of difficulty seems about equal. My guess is that one or more of the teams will drop enough points to qualify with 23 or 24 points but to guarantee our spot, we need to win at home, at least draw with the bottom teams AND take at least a point from Canada or Mexico. That would give us 27 pts and almost guarantee finishing ahead of Panama who would then only be able to max out at 29 pts if they win all of their remaining games (27 if they draw away with Mexico). (beat CR and Mexico away, lose to us at USA).
     
  16. shnaggletooth

    shnaggletooth Member+

    Jun 23, 2002
    Might not be a bad idea to make CP a permanent sub, regardless of who we play and when. Why not? Probably no one else on the squad who can really come off the bench and provide instant offense the way he can.
     
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  17. Three and Three

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    The dirty secret of college hockey. 26 year old freshmen.
     
  18. Three and Three

    Three and Three Member+

    Sep 13, 2015
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    You're very direct, in fact. We should go for the points Tuesday.
     
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  19. Mahtzo1

    Mahtzo1 Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    So Cal
    Kinda hard to overestimate the importance of this upcoming match.
     
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  20. YNWA Rob

    YNWA Rob Member+

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Nov 12, 2020
    Indiana
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thinking about it some more this afternoon. Sands being the player called in might indicate the manager is leaning toward having Acosta start on Tuesday. Sands' only midfield role would be as a #6 and a deep one at that. Acosta would be the sub to play that role if Busio were the other midfield starter, and so, no need for Sands (I know he can be a backup at center back too).

    But if Acosta is starting, there will be a need for a backup d-mid.

    Just one possibility, but I would not be shocked at all if Acosta starts rather than Busio (from someone who would love to see Busio start).
     
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  21. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Play midfield that can progress the ball and link up with the attackers is why we looked so dominant against Mexico. Acosta is a huge negative offensively, replacing someone who is a large positive offensively. I sure hope it’s Busio.
     
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  22. Mahtzo1

    Mahtzo1 Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    So Cal
    imo, we linked ujp so well against Mexico because the tandem of Zimmerman and Adams was so effective winning the ball and breaking up Mexico's flow. Jamaica is a completely different team than Mexico. while I seriously doubt that either will sit this one out, I hope that he uses the player he believes will complement that pairing the best. I don't agree that Acosta is a huge negative, but do agree that Busio is superior. (wins by addition rather than subtraction...so I guess it is semantics). With Adams and Zimmerman in the back, hopefully they can help control the deep midfield well enough to allow Busio (also Musah) shine.

    I think assuming that Acosta is starting because Berhalter called up Sands is overthinking it. (I know you didn't say that). Of course Berhalter has overthought things in the past but, based upon some past rosters, I just think that he probably rates Sands as next in line.
     
  23. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i may have missed something, but why would adams not be available as a sub?
     
  24. dlokteff

    dlokteff Member+

    Jan 22, 2002
    San Francisco, CA
    i may have missed something, but why the hell would Adams not be starting (and likley going 90)?
     
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  25. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    lets not spiral this wildly out of control- rob posted that acosta starting could explain sands inclusion (beyond simply as a 4th cb) and im just trying to catch up and find out the context.
     

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