There were plenty of pro-BLM black protesters who were armed just the way Rittenhouse was last year during protests and AFAIK none of them were put face down and disarmed. Unless there is something I've missed. Here is an example. I don't believe the cops did anything abou this. And let me clarify this, although I disapprove of how the cops acted (basically cheering Rittenhouse on), it doesn't me that in this case it influenced directly into what happened that night with Rittenhouse. He was already there and armed. This was probably going to still happen even if the cops hadn't exchange a word with them. I agree that it could have caused someone to act different and also gives a bad example to everyone in the country with crazy vigilante ideas. In my view, Rosenbaum was still the main trigger to what happened.
Think about the logic here: The defense is arguing that Rittenhouse was in fear for his life because someone tried to take his mass killing machine. Again, if the law says that's self defense, the law is the problem here.
Can't believe im asking this, but wtf is wrong with you? The pedophile literally said "I am going to ********ing kill you and cut your heart out". How are you guys this blindly partisan?
Pedophile? Anyway, my point is that the thing he was afraid of, the AR-15, was a thing that Rittenhouse brought into the situation. He created his own danger, and then is using that danger as an excuse for killing people. It's a second cousin to the Menendez brothers asking for mercy because they're orphans. Here's a question I wish the prosecutor had asked him. Rittenhouse was there to protect a car dealership that had had, IIRC, 2 cars burned. "Mr. Rittenhouse, how many cars equal a human life?" The whole gun rights movement is sociopathic in the way it makes equivalences between people and things.
So we just ignore Rosenbaum and at least one other person allegedly saying ... 'If I catch any of you (expletives) alone I'm going to (expletive) kill you.'” “I'm going to cut your (expletive) hearts out and kill you” He said he tried to run away but Rosenbaum chased him as Ziminski yelled “get him" and “kill him.” Now, these are things that Rittenhouse claimed were said. At least some of that has been corroborated by witness. If so, don't you think that is cause for him to fear for his life while being chased down ? Not to mention a shot was fired as he is being chased. At what point do you think someone can be afraid for their life ?
Let me be clearer. I'm not talking about what The Law says is the right decision here. I'm talking about the kind of society I want to live in. I do not want to live in a society in which a minor takes an assault rifle across state lines to protect a car dealership he has no financial interest in, and then goes wandering around the streets brandishing that assault rifle. I do not want to live in a society that lets that minor get away with killing people. As Fergus said to the soldier in The Crying Game, Kyle should have stayed home. Think about what you and Toaster are ultimately arguing...you're defending the person who brought a metaphorical open can of gasoline to an out of control fire. Laws exist in part to PREVENT bad shit from happening, not just to punish it after the fact. If the law sanctions what Rittenhouse did, the law needs to change. The best case scenario was that Rittenhouse would stop a few cars...CARS!!! Mere THINGS!!!...from being destroyed. What happened wasn't even the worst case scenario, it's not hard to imagine more shots and more deaths.
I think you'll dig this article I got to through Sykes' piece on The Bulwark" First, the Sykes piece When You Summon the Chaos - by Charlie Sykes - Morning Shots (thebulwark.com) Basically critical of lefties who, last year, were celebrating riots and chaos. Sykes has links to articles that did just that: I should note that the NPR piece is a transcript of the second stupidest author interview I've ever heard on that network -- the first being Bill O'Reilly stomping off Fresh Air). Here’s the first one: “When Rioting Is the Answer” — Time And then there are these: 'Riots', 'mobs', 'chaos': the establishment always frames change as dangerous,” — The Guardian “The Truth You’ve Probably Never Heard About Riots: Why the riots in response to the murder of George Floyd could be a productive part of the movement for Black Lives.” — Andre Henry, Medium “Why Violent Protests Work,” GQ (!) “One Author's Controversial View: In Defense Of Looting” — NPR “Riots are destructive, dangerous, and scary — but can lead to serious social reforms,” Vox “If riots are not the answer, what is?”- Chicago Tribune “how do i explain to my mom that the riots are good?” — Reddit post {Sykes concludes}: So, for the folks on the pro-riot left who are upset about the possible (probable?) acquittal of Kyle Rittenhouse next week, deBoer has a message: Sykes links to a piece by education writer and cultural critic Frank de Boer, who regularly writes for lefty outlets like Current Affairs and The Jacobin, so his lefty credentials are not in question When You Condone Chaos, You Condone the Consequences of Chaos - by Freddie deBoer - Freddie deBoer (substack.com) It's not a perfect essay (misspelling Kenosha is a cringe) but his conclusion is a response to the pro-riot pieces that Sykes links to that is pretty accurate. sites of lawlessness and violence are good places to break the law and commit acts of violence. Perhaps the thing for thinking people to do, then, is not to pretend that such scenes are good for getting justice or anything else. Perhaps we should not give violent right-wing actors the cover of lawlessness and the excuse of mass violence, which they will inevitably use for their own ends. And people who never experience more disorder than they find in line at Whole Foods should probably stop romanticizing that which is inflicted on the poor neighborhoods they ostensibly have such humanitarian concern for. You endorsed chaotic violence. In that state, someone you don’t like engaged chaotically and violently. You said “riots are good.” But people get killed in riots! Now two people are dead, another is maimed, and the guy responsible may very well walk, as his actions took place against a backdrop of lawlessness and gunfire that gave him the legal arguments he needs to be acquitted. What else did you expect to happen, in that scenario? How did you think this would all go, this peacocking endorsement of violence for its own sake? Reap what you sow. Reap what you sow.
What i find politically interesting is once more MAGA stands against law enforcement and justice departments and advocates that MAGAe should be able to engage in insurgency - killing their political enemies.
This judge is a complete embarrassment Jesus Christ on a triscuit. pic.twitter.com/ss4py9Mrg5— Amanda Guinzburg (@Guinz) November 12, 2021
So the Owner of the Car Dealership put out a public cry for help to defend his car dealership to all people to come save his cars, with force if necessary? I wasn't aware one could do that - since that is what police get paid to do and what people have insurance policies for...
Car dealers have gotten so soft, Cal Worthington would’ve made a personal stand along with his menagerie.
The Wisconsin is DEFINITELY a problem. when you claim self defense as a defendant, you don’t have to prove it, the prosecution has to disprove it - which is practically impossible
Irrelevant to the case, but Rosenbaum was in prison for 11 counts of child molestation and inappropriate sexual activity with boys ranging from 9 to 11 years of age. Apparently he was molested as a kid himself. Rittenhouse's choice wasn't cars over human life as he didn't shoot anyone as a response to somebody setting a car on fire. He shot someone because someone attacked him because he was putting out a fire. That's a pretty basic fact about this case.
Yep. You can definitely argue that it's a consequence of some of the media's normalization of the riots. Plus, in some cases, political decisions in some cities to let the riots "run free" without trying to control it via police intervention. It's no surprise that will polarize things even more. I am not belittling the racial issues with police in this country mind you. I understand people believing that more than simple peaceful protesting needs to happen for change to occur. It's also interesting that some of those militia in Kenosha were suggesting protestors to go set fire to the police station but leave local businesses alone. And BTW ... Frank de Boer ?