2021-22 England Referee Assignments and Discussion [EPL/EFL/Cups+][R's]

Caution.

You can't be certain the shot is on frame, so that takes away the obviousness of anything. Also, the second replay shows that he didn't strike it cleanly. If that shot is on net, it's not a laser inside the post--the goalkeeper would have at least a chance at saving it.

 

I agree, but I also think that if a ref decided it was DOGSO, VAR isn't going to change it.

 

How would it be DOGSO? It’s a shot. Once a shot is taken a handball has either denied a goal (red) or it’s denied a shot on/at goal (yellow). There’s no opportunity being denied here. The possible results are goal, save, goal kick or, perhaps, corner kick.

Also, in this case, worth noting the referee didn’t call anything so the VAR is the one saying it’s a clear penalty. Referee, in consultation with VAR, is then rendering a decision on misconduct. So this isn’t an instance of the VAR checking the veracity of the misconduct decision.

 

Because I think there is room in ITOOTR that a ref could conclude that the initial shot was on goal and therefore a DOGSO (not DOG because the keeper has a chance of saving it.) The decision on whether it was on goal could go either way.

If you determine it was on goal, it would be an OGSO.

 

LC:ARS
69”. The Evan’s mugging is the exact reason DOGSO was created and he only gets a caution. Sad.

 

Nearly identical play is a red in MC:CP.

 

The notion that this was even close to the assault that occurred in MLS is laughable.
But you already knew that.

This place is becoming a circle-jerk of egos.

 

His point is that you used the Seattle play to assert the decision was indicative of why MLS isn’t a serious league.

Yet here, there’s a clear DOGSO card not given. Then an hour later, an exact same situation—as you rightly say—that is. In the EPL. So a huge mistake on a red card, upheld by VAR, immediately layered over with total inconsistency. And the calls for saying the EPL is a league not taken seriously due to poor officiating are where, exactly?

Nowhere. Because it’s not true. Just like your claim about MLS was absurd.

 

And yet, he was doing so with two plays that had nothing to do with another.
The EPL was a missed call while the MLS play was an ignored assault.

Regardless, I said, "refereeing decisions like this is one of many reasons MLS is still not taken seriously throughout the world." (emphasis added).

I didn't say MLS had poor referees. It also was not a statement that EPL has better officiating. EPL has some of the most inconsistent refereeing of the big leagues. But the league as a whole is well respected.

MLS on the other hand has numerous reasons that it is not considered a big league. Ignoring blatant violent conduct is but one. But the single entity; lack of pro/rel; lack of serious television coverage (this is getting better); and the fact that professionals who have lost a step and can no longer compete in big leagues come to the MLS and dominate are all reasons MLS is not taken seriously.

But to your point, no I am not going to say the EPL is not taken seriously due to poor officiating, because it is not true. I also didn't say MLS is not taken seriously due to poor officiating, I said ignoring blatant violent conduct is ONE of the reasons MLS is not taken seriously. I am not backtracking from that statement.

 

You’d be wrong.
I made a post that that laws wise was spot on. Many agreed with the content.
I made a side comment giving an opinion.

it could easily have been ignored but it wasn’t. Like you, instead of addressing the points, those that responded made comments about me rather than addressing the point.

I really don’t desire to get in a pissing match so I let it drop.

Then, I made another correct comment about a different game and an unrelated play.

A poster then felt it was necessary to bring up the older post despite it having zero todo with my current post.

Again, I let it drop. But you had to again say something personal.

 

I think there were two red cards there are Villa. First time I’ve ever seen two red card checks in the same APP but for two different incidents.

 

Well, the check was in process. So he didn’t ignore it. He deemed that it wasn’t clear, which has a slight level of defense because, well, you don’t often see a play like that.

But yeah it needed to be given. I suspect that if there wasn’t also a DOGSO foul to review, the SFP/VC would have been given. And that is, of course, problematic. Because, if true, the VAR is essentially trying to manage the match rather than just flag clear errors.

 

Though, if you mean Kavanagh, I agree. Not coming back to give at least yellow is a huge problem.

Sorry, realize now you might be talking about the referee and not VAR.