Yanks Abroad Flavors of the Week: 2020/2021

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  1. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
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    I think the attraction with McKenzie is that he is two footed. More so than the other guys like Richards who is quite good with both feet. This helps in versatility vs someone like CCV who is right side only. But, if McKenzie isn’t playing for club, it is all for naught.
     
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  2. VictoryWePredict4Thee

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    Jul 4, 2019
    Dude every post is pro an mls player or anti non mls player. Dont deny it. Its ok.
     
  3. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
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    Portland Timbers
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    I literally just quoted (from memory) a few recent examples of myself promoting non-MLS players. They are there in one of the posts you quoted. Why are you so stubborn?

    You've still refused to explain how I "bashed" Maloney. Go on, let's hear something other than "dude you're just anti Euro players".
     
  4. MuchoTakeItEasy

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    May 16, 2015
    Land of the Free
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    Personally, I think commenting on anybody's posting history is better saved for DM's, unless y'all consider it "analysis" :coffee:
     
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  5. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States

    Correction: Miazga SHOULD BE ahead of him, but Berhalter knows McKenzie, so we are stuck with him. Miazga probably will never receive a call up this cycle.
     
  6. Ironbound

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  7. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

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  8. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
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    I would love to know who’s overrating McKenzie. I’ve seen nothing but doubts and complaints since his Mexico error. People lost their minds over a bad pass in a game we won, resulting in a goal that Turner probably would have stopped. The nitpicking of everything the kid does has been far more prevalent than praise.
     
  9. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
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    you keep saying that...
     
  10. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
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  11. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
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    Do you also think that all of my posts are pro-MLS and/or anti-Euro player? Or do you have anything more substantive to say than the other person?
     
  12. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
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    i think jokes are funny.
     
  13. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nah. Don't buy it. Miazga has been heavily involved under Berhalter, and relatively recently. Wasn't just called up, but started our 2020 friendlies against Wales, Northern Ireland, and Panama. He was Berhalter's starter for both the semi and final at the 2019 Gold Cup (as well as our most difficult group stage game against Panama).

    McKenzie, lest we forget....................was on a better team than Miazga last season in Belgium. 6 of one; half a dozen of the other.

    There's no real reason to think that Berhalter is going to exclude Miazga now that he's excelling again at the club level. Miazga biggest problem vis-a-vi a starting USMNT role are guys named Chris Richards and Miles Robinson.

    If Matt Miazga had started against Costa Rica in our last WCQer, he would have been our oldest field player in the starting XI. By quite a bit actually.
     
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  14. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
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  15. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
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    #5990 OWN(yewu)ED, Oct 25, 2021
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    Galatasaray still running Yedlin into the ground. Big game against Besiktas to make up ground they lost early in the season. Currently up 1-0 38th minute

    cyle Latin levels 40th minute, 1-1
     
  16. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
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  17. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
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    Who knows what's going to be happen, but media in Italy believes Reynolds will be leaving Roma.
     
  18. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
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    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Twitter sentiment isn't the same thing as the sentiment on this board. I don't think McKenzie has done much good in the MNT shirt that indicates he deserves callups over the likes of our top up-and-coming CB's like Richards and MRobinson that we're trying to get up-to-speed with more caps/reps. And he's not a veteran leadership presence like Zimmerman/Ream.

    I think Miazga is playing better for club, so he probably deserves time with the NT as a backup CB more than McKenzie (who would be in the same role). I think McKenzie was highly rated in Philly, and then he's sort of fallen down a bit the last 6-months, that's all. Compared to his longtime partner Auston Trusty (whom nobody ever talks about), he's certainly held in higher regard.

    I suppose we'll see this next round of callups. A calamitous error like the one against Mexico is going to be posted on Twitter a lot, but I remember McKenzie playing for the YNTs and for Philly. When he wasn't playing fullback (Ramos you goofball), he was good.
     
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  19. gogorath

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    May 12, 2019
    Yeah, I think people are over-correcting on McKenzie. The tools are all there to be a very, very good all around centerback. He has made mistakes, but that puts him behind ... well, no one at this point.

    I'm not advocating for a McKenzie start or anything in November, but I think people seem to forget that none of our guys have been completely rock solid.
     
  20. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    McKenzie needs steady games.

    Reggie Cannon is in starting lineup of a league match!
     
  21. iad_22201

    iad_22201 Member+

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    Yedlin v. Besiktas
    Fotmob 5.6 (10th of 10 outfield starters)
    SofaScore 6.4 (tied 9th)
    WhoScored 6.1 (8th)
     
  22. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Alright!! We now just have to wait until CCV has another bad game!
     
  23. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
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    Portland Timbers
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    It's not just friendlies. It's the 2019 Gold Cup and the Nations League games. Those were part of this cycle. He's gotten 873 minutes during Berhalter's tenure, and has been a regular (if not consistent) callup throughout that time period.
     
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  24. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
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    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Your post is very true. But McKenzie hasn't done enough to separate himself from, say, Miazga who's currently playing consistently and well (from what I read on here--I haven't watched any Alavés games). They are both vying for the 4th-ish CB spot (depending on who you like and who's injured, of course). As of today, it seems like Miazga gets the edge to fill that spot. I still think that McKenzie has the tools to be a high-quality all-around CB, but he's not quite there yet.
     
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  25. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    May 12, 2019
    Sure.

    I think they are pretty different players, though. McKenzie's faster, probably less consistent, but more athletic and better in space.

    Matt's better in the air, I think has less ceiling on his passing but far more consistent, and can get caught out because he's not super fast or quick.

    I don't disagree both are in the mix, but I think there's also a stylistic aspect to watch for. Some cornerbacks are better pressing high, better in open spaces. And some are very good when in a smaller space, in an organized defense but can struggle in space. Matt's not completely in the latter section, but there can be a massive difference in what a CB is asked to do in club play versus international.

    CCV is one of those dudes that looks amazing if he can stay in a small space right around the box. But if he gets caught out, it can be bad.
     
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