New US Soccer policy regarding headsets and grassroots referees

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  1. MetroFever

    MetroFever Member+

    Jun 3, 2001
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia




    Can anyone who took the time to watch this tell me that you're getting the SAME kind of feedback that Corey is describing here? If you're a huge fan of using these communication systems at non-MLS levels, did your opinion change after watching this...or to change your pre-game on what you expect at the very least?

    I can't even get many of my AR's to warn me that there's a substitute up-and-ready with these on, which is unacceptable, so what's the purpose?

    Yes, they're only as good as the refs you're with. I could give a 3 hour pre-game, and folks that own these are still set in their ways on what information they will or won't provide.
     
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  2. frankieboylampard

    Mar 7, 2016
    USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    for college, USL2 and NPSL it’s helpful. I have received similar feedback as corey . But again the referees I’m working with at this level aren’t the ones blowing whistles on U11 matches. Really depends on your area it sounds like.

    Not sure if someone said it already but I think mic’s are most helpful for communicating deliberate v. deflection. And interfering with an opponent and a player in an offside position.
     
  3. sulfur

    sulfur Member+

    Oct 22, 2007
    Ontario, Canada
    Here's another thing from NISOA with regards to communication from that same summer series:

     
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  4. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    Does anyone here know the protocol around filing a police report for threats like this made against sports officials? If anyone said this to me during a match I would play dumb and ask them what they mean, and if they give a threat at me I would ask for the police to be called and would want to press charges.
     
  5. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This one was probably more useful for people who are newer with comms. A lot more basics.
     
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  6. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Call the police or go to the police station to make a report. Be aware that in many states, there is no such things as “pressing charges”—those decisions are made by the prosecutor’s office based on facts presented by the police.
     
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  7. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    Yeah I'm sure nothing would really come of it. But a while back we had our league's head of discipline actually send out an email telling referees who get threatened/assaulted by anyone on the field even youth players to file a police report as a way to discourage people thinking they can treat referees like that.
     
  8. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    As an aside, when I started reffing as a youth, it was for the Police Athletic League, which (as the name implies) was supported by the local police department. The department made very clear to coaches that it get involved in any issues relating to threats/assault of officials.
     
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  9. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    Does anyone know if/how to connect 4 Maxquall/EJEAS/Vnetphone radios? The Youtube videos and demos all just show 3 devices, but obviously using a 4th official, would need another, and also need to know if you get a V4 or V6.
     
  10. MJ91

    MJ91 Member

    United States
    Jan 14, 2019
    You can do it with 4 x V4C's, with or 2 x V4C + 2 x V6C.

    If using the latter combination, pair the 2 V4C's together, then pair one V6C on the open channel of each V4C. The pairing chain would look like: V6 - V4 - V4 - V6.

    I looked, but haven't found, a 3.5mm in-line PTT button for the 4th O that's plug and play with these radios so 4O can listen but CR doesn't have to hear all of their chatter with the coaches.
     
  11. swoot

    swoot Member

    Feb 28, 2009
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There are several that were designed for cell phones that would work.
     
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  12. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    I guess I would have to borrow a fellow ref's V4 to try it out before buying my own. Have you done this?

    Also, do you guys think that since only regionals and up can use comms, if grassroots used them, that the losing coach could protest the game? The only league I know of that explicitly bans their use and cares about non-regionals using them is MLS Next, which makes sense considering it's run by US Soccer.
     
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  13. MJ91

    MJ91 Member

    United States
    Jan 14, 2019
    I have 1x v4c + 2x v6c. Their docs show to use 4, another v4c is put in the middle. It seems the v6 can only comm with one other unit at a time while the v4 has open full duplex with both A & B channels. The v6 are half the cost of the v4's, thus used as the end nodes.

    I am not qualified to comment on coaches appeal if comms are used in grassroots. Haven't had it happen yet ;).Some coaches that have commented on them are glad we're using available tools to improve match management. But that doesn't mean we couldn't eventually get slapped by our SRA for using them.

    Might do a tourney in a few weeks that has some regional/national referee coaches coming in to our state for clinics & mentoring during the event - we'll see if there's a SRC reminder on grassroots comms....
     
  14. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    Have one member of the crew show up in dark glasses with a cane, and say that the comms are an ADA accommodation
     
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  15. Gary V

    Gary V Member+

    Feb 4, 2003
    SE Mich.
    And they have to wear the 3 blind mice tee shirt.
     
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  16. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    Don't forget the flip coin
    [​IMG]
     
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  17. RegionalRef

    RegionalRef New Member

    Arsenal football club
    England
    Sep 21, 2020
    Does anyone here have the Yapalong 5000?
     
  18. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I do. What do you need?
     
  19. RegionalRef

    RegionalRef New Member

    Arsenal football club
    England
    Sep 21, 2020
    Have you ever had interference issues with it ? And how’d you solve it ?
     
  20. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’ve not had any issues with the 5000. Used to get it with the 4000. Especially near wireless devices using strong signal. Like a scoreboard.

    If you’re getting interference you might consider upgrading to the better headsets. Though again, I mainly use the standard ones and haven’t had problems.
     
  21. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    Earlier this month they had that massive MLS Next showcase where every U15-U19 MLSN club in America came to CA to play over 5 days. It's really funny to me to think about how in games with that high level of youth play, the very experienced grassroots level refs that were there (I'm sure there were plenty) would not be allowed to use comms because MLSN is the only league that specifically bans it.

    Also, I am borrowing a v4 radio from someone try to pair 2 v4s and 2 v6s to make a full 4 man set. I'm sure I will fail but I gotta try.
     
  22. SA14mars

    SA14mars Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Dallas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    US Soccer specifically bans it, not MLSNEXT. They just enforce it like every other league and state association
     
  23. Barciur

    Barciur Member+

    Apr 25, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
    I believe MLS Next banned it before US Soccer did, so it is (or was) written in their ROC. Don't quote me on that, though.
     
  24. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah the previous DA certainly had it in the ROC.
     
  25. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    Well folks no one cares but I got 4 maxquall/vnetphones synced. Just have to connect one v4 to a v6 on channel a, another v4 to another v6 on channel a, then connect the v4s together on channel b, then press the a button on both v4s.

    Also, I get that since it's a development league for players, it's a development league for refs as well (as was discussed to death ITT) so they want referees "developing" learning proper mechanics and non-radio communication. But referees who are doing DA/MLSN games are usually either regionals or very high level and skilled, experienced grassroots refs. They won't be taking radio use lightly. With how seriously US Soccer seems to take MLS Next, they should want referees being the best, and radios can help with that.
     
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