Neverending Story 3: The Ongoing Brexit Thread

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  1. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    Basically, this guy is treating a relative drop as an absolute drop? Lot of that going around.
     
  2. The Jitty Slitter

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    Bayern München
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    Jul 23, 2004
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    Dan Hodges is known as the dumbest man on the internet for a reason

    I think the only time he was right about anything was his feud with Julia HB, because she is a lockdown wingnut
     
  3. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    He did produce some decent pieces back in the day, but since he moved to the Telegraph and subsequently the MoS he's just been a government cheerleader.

     
  4. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    Are you guys noticing that every shop is hiring?
     
  5. The Jitty Slitter

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    Bayern München
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    Jul 23, 2004
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    FC Sankt Pauli
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    Belgium
    I've noticed in Hamburg lots of shops have notices up for workers
     
  6. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Plenty of hospitality jobs going round here. Amazon opened a big warehouse and hoovered up loads of people during furlough.
     
  7. In the Netherlands there's a shortage of 10K lorry drivers, among others.
    Health care, shops, builders etc are screaming for people.
     
  8. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59006619

    Retail sales continue to decline despite removing restrictions. It may be -- and I'm just spitballing here -- that the rise in cases has something to do with people not wanting to shop? And it may also be that increased prices due to global supply chains factor in? Or maybe the added snarls due to Brexit?

    Can't wait to see what Kwarteng, Sunak, and Boris blame instead.
     
  9. The Jitty Slitter

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    I've also wondered if some of this stuff represents structural changes? The trend of so-called dispersion.

    e-commerce is obviously old hat, but it has accelerated further and spread to bricks and mortar areas like education and healthcare.

    e.g the german and I just don't go to restaurants anymore, even when allowed to because our consumer habit changed.

    And honestly, i don't really go to shops either, apart from food.
     
  10. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    That's because you're not in charge of a tiny toddling tyrant who keeps outgrowing clothes and shoes.
     
  11. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    Nah, I think the BBC got it wrong in the initial reports or maybe I misheard it.

    If your lad has at least one parent that's British and is good at sport he'll be British when he wins, Welsh when he loses and if he's no good at sport, nobody will care unless he starts going around shooting people like this fella.

    :D
     
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  12. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    Chelsea FC
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    I think it's pretty obvious some of these changes have been accelerated hugely by the pandemic but the impact on the UK will be greater due to the disruption of brexit.

    Also, there was a good piece on the beeb website about people not returning to work. They're calling it 'The Great Resignation'.

    Well, some people are...

    https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20211028-what-were-getting-wrong-about-the-great-resignation

    There are a few pieces about it...

    https://eu.rgj.com/story/news/money...ion-why-people-not-returning-work/5661302001/
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2021/10/29/great-resignation-cycle-more-people-quit/6181129001/
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/10/great-resignation-accelerating/620382/

    As usual I'm guessing it's being over hyped but seems to be a real thing. We'll have to wait and see how it all shakes out I suppose.
     
  13. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    Mogg just announced a U-Turn on the new Paterson GOOJFC committee. Ostensibly it's because they realized they couldn't kick out all the defectors in the party, or maybe they hadn't actually realized the optics of an oversight committee only staffed by members of the majority party, or maybe it was that big donors realized how much of their money would get set on fire in the next GE if they kept this bullshit up.
     
  14. The Jitty Slitter

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    Also, this stuff heads swiftly into criminal territory for the companies making the payments IMO

    These are essentially corrupt payments / bribes

    An MP on the take like this is the slimiest level of corruption there is
     
  15. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    Chelsea FC
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    That's an interesting point.

    Even if he hasn't 'done anything wrong' :rolleyes: what about them?

    Come on, you're one of our legal eagles. What's the word?!
     
  16. The Jitty Slitter

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    The way I learned it you cannot make any payment to a public official - as it could be construed as a bribe. So examples were taking a public procurement official out for lunch or golf or whatever.

    I am not sure if MPs are excluded from this but I presume not?

    Hiring them as a "consultant" just seems an obvious way to skirt the rules whereby you just pay them a corrupt inducement to secure benefit for your company.
     
  17. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    On the other hand, speaking as deputy chair of finance of a local council, I might try and employ this new found 'flexibility' :eek:

    :giggle:

    I mean, it makes you think, doesn't it. Why is it OK for the tories and not for us?

    That's the annoying thing. As the start of every council meeting we all have to declare any interests and, if there is, we have to leave the meeting for that part.

    The thing is we're not talking about getting a bung from a business. That's just straight up corruption. We're just talking about having ANY interest in a specific area under discussion.

    I find it absolutely incredible what's gone on with Patterson, tbh.
     
  18. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    And yet Paterson got to vote on his own fate on Wednesday.
    It was also pointed out that almost a quarter of the MPs who signed the amendment are either under investigation, or have been recently.
     
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  19. The Jitty Slitter

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    Yes that conflict of interest is unfortunately really common.

    Dad came across it all the time in local politics.
     
  20. The Jitty Slitter

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    Bayern München
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  21. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    The big problem is that most Tories, and especially Johnson, don't see it as corruption. They see it as their entitlement.
    Take Johnson's holiday in Spain - paid for by Zac Goldsmith, who lost his seat in 2019 and was moved to the Lords by Johnson. The holiday was just a "thank you".
     
  22. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Rules are for the little people

     
  23. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Somehow Nigel Mills slipped through the net when Johnson purged the sensible Tories.

    1456173329338019841 is not a valid tweet id
     
  24. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    Chelsea FC
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    His days are numbered I'd think.
     
  25. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
    The problem with that sort of thing is that, unless they come forward and say it publicly, (not in an off the record briefing), it's worthless.
     

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