Well New Zealand did go unbeaten in the 2010 World Cup finals. They've only played the fourth place CONCACAF team once and lost. That was against Mexico.
Fair enough. I would actually say that, assuming US/Mex/Can go 1-3 that 4th from CONCACAF will be the worst side (talent wise) in the intrafederation playoff. Could see it being something like Uruguay, Japan, NZ, and Panama based on where things stand right now.
I feel like if Jamaica could make it to 4th and get all their dual nationals together and on the same page, they could definitely qualify versus New Zealand and maybe Japan. I’m not that confident in any one else in CONCACAF and obviously Jamaica is a long way away from that point too.
That's totally correct, and it is also why the expansion to 48 and the proposal for biennial tournaments are both such a big deal. Each dramatically increases the odds of teams like jamaica appearing at the World Cup level, and that makes recruiting a much easier sell. If the biennial proposal goes through, a 25 year old who joined now could retire in 10 years with the chance of appearing at up to 3 World Cups.
One draw against a solid Canada team that honestly can win against anyone and a draw on the road to a team that outright whooped our ass. They also dominated ELS on the road which outplayed us. They are doing fine.
The point is, that Mexico won the games they were supposed to win, and the previous poster called that into question. Well aware that Mexico is doing better than we are at the moment, but I push back at the statement that they won all the games they were supposed to win.
Point is that Mexico is doing a better job at getting the results they’re supposed to get than we are. This isn’t a question. All we have to do is look at the table and we can say, who accomplished what they’re supposed to accomplish and who didn’t. That’s not hard nor needs debate.
This is also likely to play out during WCQ. As the team gains CCAF experience and starts to gel as a unit, performances should improve. We should be a much better side come that final window than our first.
Oh I apologize in engaging in a conversation with you. You’re clear going through something, as your post have been more and more extreme lately. There’s zero chance we can have a productive conversation if your going to move goal post.
I'm pushing back on your quote below, I inferred from your quote that Mexico has made ZERO missteps in WCQ. If we were supposed to win in Panama and at home against Canada, then they were supposed to as well, and in that regard, they failed too (albeit a draw with Panama is obviously better than a loss). I think we are almost in agreement here, that currently Mexico has got better results thus far than US.
If you don’t like what I have to say, hit the ignore button. Life’s too short. That said, I am not coming after you with a bunch of you-statements and such. And I try, perhaps not always succeed, to be cordial to everyone I talk to on here. Those who I don’t believe I can talk to respectfully; I put on my ignore list. Again, life’s too short. I’m not on here to tear people down nor am I willing to allow other people to tear me down. Once people cross a line with me; it’s pretty easy to just ignore. Because I’m here to just talk about soccer as a fan. Nevertheless, it’s not a subjective discussion we’re having. Mexico is ahead in the table at the halfway point; therefore, they’ve got more the results that they were supposed to get than we have. It’s a simple math... 1 + 1 = 2 phenomenon. At the end of the day, where we stand in the tables is the ONLY thing that matters. At the moment, we’re at #2. Mexico is #1. And if we want to claim to be the best in the region, then, we need to do better.
While the user you are replying to was being sarcastic, I suspect it may have something to with certain trends in black diaspora culture towards matriarchal and non-traditional family structures. The sources of those trends, of course, are obvious to anyone who has even rudimentary knowledge on black communities in the Anglosphere. But that discussion is waaaay beyond the scope of this thread.
I don’t disagree with anything you posted here. And I responded to your post because I thought I was just pointing out something you overlooked. I’ve always considered you a reasonable poster, but lately you’ve been a little on edge. I don’t put anyone on ignore. I’m on here to to be exposed to all points of view and perspectives, not just my own. My reasoning is simple. Your supposed to win all your home games. Mexico did not win all the games they were supposed to because they didn’t win their home game against Canada. If you disagree with that, that’s fine.
Hey, I always welcome a “buddy check” from time to time. Personally, it seems a little strange to me to hear that I’ve been a little on edge. There’s no unusual circumstances in my life to justify so. Nor have I felt extra annoyed with anyone on here particularly. But hey, if that’s your impression, whatever, I’ll acknowledge the feedback. That said, I’m definitely not on here to be exposed to other viewpoints and such. I’m just on here for the escapism of talking with fellow soccer nerds who like talking about the sport as much as I like talking about it. Besides, as I’ve mentioned before... I listen to a lot of trauma in my work life. So, I need some balance. And I’ll cut off someone very easily if I feel stressed by them. And honestly, I cannot recall the last time I’ve genuinely been upset with any poster on here. Nevertheless,I enjoy the debates. I even enjoy the debates with people I disagree with and going back and forth on certain topics. What might seem like me getting frustrated, might just be me enjoying the back and forth. And overall, I’m just glad to have a team again that I can get excited about the highs and lows of the national team cycle.
I replied to him via PM because I didn't want to sound racist but there is a tendency among Jamaican fathers to have no involvement with raising their children. It's specific to Jamaica and covered in the following: https://www.thejfa.com/read/a-fatherless-nation
Well I’m glad to hear everything is going good for you. Lots of people are dealing with lots of stuff right now, so I did t want to make any assumptions. Maybe I’m picking up something that’s not there also. Anyways, enjoy the ride. It looks like we are on the rise.
Not specific to Jamaica. This is a trend common across the Caribbean, and in black American community as well. The hyphenated name thing has nothing at all to do with the number of two-parent households in Caribbean communities. That's just a UK naming convention, which exists for many reasons. Fatherlessness is not one of them (indeed, hyphenated last names are LESS likely to appear on children whose fathers are totally uninvolved in their lives). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-barrelled_name
Traditionally it's an upper-class tradition, though more recently married couples have started to hyphenate names. If you look at footballers there's a preponderance of double-barreled names among black or mixed race players. In some cases, like Alexander Arnold, or Maitland-Niles, their fathers weren't really involved in their upbringing. In Calvert-Lewin's cases his parents hyphenated their names upon marriage.
Yeah the previous format would have been super unfair to them and made it much harder to qualify. And clearly they have a team that’s good enough that they deserved a fairer shot.
Official FIFA rankings are out. Canada are in the top 50 so Jonathan Osorio can pursue his dream of playing in the EFL Championship. El Salvador are now ranked higher than Honduras. Mex 9 USA 13 CRC 45 Can 48 Jam 59 El S 65 Hon 68 Pan 69