"I can't believe you did that to that poor kid!" That from my wife. U9 club, not rec. These kids are trained better than volunteer rec coaches. New keeper, obviously new to the position. He makes a save near the goal line, takes a step back, then throws it to a teammate. I tell him he can go all the way out to the penalty area line and throw the ball from there. Second save, same thing. I remind him a second time. Third save, he takes a step back, then another. I move to on the goal line. He looks around for someone to throw to and takes a third step back. Both feet are behind the goal line. I tell him to run out to the penalty area line, then throw the ball. Instead he brings the ball behind his head and the whole ball crosses the goal line in the goal. I blow the whistle and signal goal. The coach comes out, not to argue with me, but to encourage the keeper. I had no problem with that. After the game both coaches were OK with what I did. A teaching moment. My wife thinks she married a monster who crushes kids' souls.
I'm with her. Teaching moment, yes ... maybe without actually awarding the goal? But not knowing the "competition" level, I guess YHTBT. Reminds me of the time very early (at least I hope I remember it correctly as being very early) in my ref'ing career when I was doing a similar game, probably U9 or U10 girls, and one team had a free kick right in front of the other's bench. Coach starts yelling at his defender to run up and stand in front of the ball. I say "No, don't do that." Coach says "Yes! Run up there and stand in front of the ball!" So she does, and I, like a moron, show her a yellow card. She of course breaks down in tears, sobbing the entire time I'm explaining to the coach what happened and why and why it's all his fault. Mama bear jumps me after the game and I thought she was going to wrestle me to the ground -- which, in fairness, I more or less deserved. Teaching moment indeed. Huh. And that in turn reminds me of the time my best friend and I were coaching U10 baseball and won one 30-0. After our wives finished telling us just what they thought of that, I don't think either one spoke to either one of us for a week.
I think the missed teaching moment was not giving the coach the card . . . (OK, that was probably before cards for coaches, but definitely worth a tell . . .)
I had a somewhat similar play, maybe a little older age group. The keeper caught the ball, and then for some reason turned around the wrong way and moved the ball over the goal line. My AR (my son) was right there, I looked at him, flag went up. Sorry kid. In another game I had a keeper opposite of yours, but about the same age. She brought the ball all the way up to the PA line. Lined her toes right on the line. Then because she was just learning how to punt, in slow motion she held the ball with arms straight out in front and dropped it to her foot. She did it at least twice. At the end of the half I was near her so I called her over, and had her stand like she did before. "Now, where is the ball when you stretch your hands out?" Her eyes got big. I hope it was a teaching moment for her (another keeper in the 2nd half, so I didn't know).
HSBV, lead AR, rapid-fire kicks on the ball in the PA. It finally gets blasted to the goal from maybe 8 yds out straight at a defender standing right on the line who reflexively caught it... fortunately, the force of the shot backed him and the ball barely but completely over the goal line, so no RC. I signaled goal and both teams were happy.
Wow, lucky the goal was scored. I am not sure what I would have done if not. DOGSO-H seems harsh, assuming it was going to be blocked by his body anyway. We had some state (PA) HS training that also made it clear that reflexive actions were not supposed to be considered intentional handling. But they never talked about reflexive catching
I was between games on a 7v7 field earlier this year, watching another 7v7 on the next field. Shot on goal and a defender reached down. The ball went off his hand and into the goal. Everyone yelling "HANDBALL." The solo ref is writing in his book. A coach is yelling "Handball ref!" Parents are yelling "Handball!!" The referee is staring dumbfounded at the coach and the ball." Finally the referee said "Where is the ball, Coach? Do you want the handball and PK, or do you want the goal??" It was so hard not laughing loudly.
I mean, he had lightning quick hands to catch that - it was straight into his gut - then he just held it as he backed up... But, both teams were in a bit of disbelief, just stopped and sorta stared like, "WTH was that?" One attacker finally said, "Handball!! ..... right?" as I was popping the flag trying to get the CR's attention who was picking his jaw up off the pitch. And these weren't two slouch teams either, but i guess they'd never seen that. They all kind of chuckled after it was ruled a goal, so CR didn't bother with a YC.
Old story. U13 girl's game. Obvious handling by a defender in the PA, but ball still moving toward goal. GK simply stops in her tracks and the ball rolls slowly in. I signal advantage first just in case anyone is paying attention, then indicate goal. On the way back up field one of the attacking team players complains to a spectator "It was a handball but he didn't call it".
From my O-40 4th division men's game. Ball near goal line, out on the side, but inside the penalty area. Attacker and defender contesting for it, resulting in some contact with each other as the ball squibs out and the attacker goes down. I call Corner. The goalkeeper is insisting that it should be a goal kick. I repeated Corner and he said again goal kick. So I told him "Well, the next choice is a penalty." That shut him up but a teammate says to him, "I can't believe you wanted a penalty." LOL.
I used to play with a keeper who would dropkick the ball by tossing it in front on him 3-4 yards (felt like more sometimes). He would time it to release the ball just barely inside the PA. It drove the dual refs crazy getting yelled at by the other team and thus having to stand back at the PA during a punt with nobody else within 10 yards of the center line. I'm pretty sure one gave a handball once just to get our keeper to not push it so far.
Reminds me of an AR I had who flagged for the keeper handling twice in the first half. The first time I waved it down and told the keeper to be careful. And moved closer for the next punt--which was clearly OK. At half discussed with my AR (an otherwise thoughtful and hard working AR), who somehow got in his head he was supposed to watch the plant foot instead of the ball. Strange how some of these odd ideas get out there. And a further aside . . . when he was young, my son had a solid punt that he enjoyed, and he understood the rule on what he could do. He got called several times for leaving the PA on a punt when he had properly released the ball from inside. It took me a while to get him to understand that it didn't matter that he was right--that extra couple of feet wasn't worth giving the ref the chance to make a bad call.
Reminds me of a HS game I had a few years ago where one team had a long-throw-in specialist they would call over -- even if he was 80 yards away -- every time they had a throw in their attacking half. And every time he threw there would be howls -- from the stands, from the opposing bench, from the opposing coaches -- of "Foul throw! "He lifted his foot ref!" "Foul throw!" Finally I walked over to the coach right before a throw and said "Watch him. He's not lifting his foot until well after he's released the ball. It's a legal throw." The coach did and, bless his heart, said, "Huh. You're right. OK, never mind."
I had a coaching staff absolutely convinced that an opponent who had a flip throw was releasing the ball before he landed on his feet. "HIS FEET AREN'T ON THE GROUND YET!!!" The head coach came over at half time to argue about it and I said to him "You clearly aren't the physics teacher are you?"
Ha! I had a HS coach in my ear once about a player not backing up ten yards on a free kick on a striped field. "That's not ten yards! You can see it! It's marked on the field!" "He's on the hypotenuse coach." "Oh. Yeah. OK."
I've had that happen with a FK at the corner of the PA. Boys varsity but apparently they hadn't taken trig yet...
I've had a few times where a player is covering a short corner on a 45 degree angle from the goalline/touchline and when the attacker asks for me to back them up to the hash mark, I've said "Pythagoras says they're okay there".
Maybe. But I have a very vague recollection that this guy actually responded with "Dang - and I'm a math teacher." I probably dreamed that part though. Or, wait -- it might have been one of the other coaches, or even a player, who said "And he's a math teacher!" Nah, I had to have dreamed that.
BV game last night, top-3 teams from top two classifications heading into playoffs. Fellows were...spirited. Following a visitor attack into the PA I see an absolute fistful of away jersey in the hand of a defender, such that attacker had to straighten up. Crowded PA, no OGSO. I blow for the PK and the home kids are inCREDulous, first at the offense and then at the result. The line that's burned into my memory is: "So it was a hold? Does that have to be a PK?" I hope hope hope the home video guy got a good shot, this would have been in full, perfect, and well-lit view of the fan side.
Had a girls varsity player last night yelling "I have a right to stand in front of the ball!" Ah, no you don't. Here's your yellow card per 13.3.1 Penalty. One of her teammates, about 18 minutes later, proved to be a slow learner.
It surprises me when experienced players at higher ages don't know basic laws. I'm still regularly left dumbfounded when these players ask me after a clear trip/hold/DFK foul if a kick is direct or indirect. Considering the only indirect kicks we regularly call are offside and dangerous play for high kicks/person dangerously on ball on the ground and all contact fouls are DFK, you'd think they'd get it after 5-10 years of high level play.