Coaching Philosophies and the Gregg Berhalter System

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  1. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    The CR match yielded the ideal Gregg passing network. with both Aaronson(11) and Weah(20) running beyond Pepi(16).

    Zardes drops into deep position with Columbus but that is to provide defensive cover and an outlet, rather than to provide attacking passing. Sargent has a better profile but hasn't clicked with the National Team. Hoppe is raw and hasn't seen much playing time in Spain. Dike doesn't apply elite levels of pressure but excels in holdup play. Jesus Ferreira fits the profile for the type striker GGG wants in a 433.

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  2. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Until Hoppe is tried at striker with this group we won’t know what he might do.
     
  3. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    People told you this days ago when you were incorrectly blaming Lletget for the goal.
     
  4. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Dike's hold up play is a huge weakness.
     
  5. ifsteve

    ifsteve Member+

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    Jul 7, 2013
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    What hold up play? lol
     
  6. TurdFerguson

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    Jan 11, 2013
  7. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Feb 13, 2010
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  8. The Clientele

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    Jun 25, 2005
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  9. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Wow... The is becoming pretty clear. At least to the fans. That would be close to my 23 and if I wanted to swap out a player or two, they would be from players 24 to 30.

    A few interesting tidbits from the data....

    - The players who nearly made the cut (placed 24th through 30th) were: Konrad de la Fuente, Josh Sargent, Jordan Pefok, Mark McKenzie, Matt Miazga, Gyasi Zardes, and Daryl Dike.

    - After very narrowly missing out on both of the previous polls, Deandre Yedlin finally made the top 23.

    - After making the cut the first time around, and being in the mix during the second round of polling, Jackson Yueill seems to have lost any and all support. He received 0 votes.

    - Unsurprisingly, our trio of goalkeepers continue to have a firm grip on the available slots. The keeper with the 4th highest level of support was Sean Johnson.....who was only selected by voters 6% of the time.
     
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  10. xbhaskarx

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    #5785 xbhaskarx, Oct 16, 2021
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    22/23 for me... replace Yedlin with Dike... nothing against Yedlin really but no need for a third RB in a 23 man roster with Richards, Adams, and Acosta.
    My just missed the cut guys would currently be Miazga and Konrad.

    Uh have you considered the possibility that you and hundreds of people who follow the USMNT around the country are wrong, while Gregg and the half dozen people who will inevitably come to his defense no matter what he does are right?
     
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  11. xbhaskarx

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    #5786 xbhaskarx, Oct 16, 2021
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    15 out of the 23 received over 85% of the vote...

    Pulisic 99
    Dest 99
    McKennie 99
    Adams 98
    Reyna 98
    Aaronson 98
    A Robinson 98
    Pepi 97
    Weah 96
    Musah 96
    Turner 95
    M Robinson 95
    Steffen 94
    Brooks 90
    Richards 87

    CRAZY IDEA: Just start as many of those 15 as you can as often as you can... supplemented by the next 15 on the list as needed... and pretty much no one else barring some extreme circumstances that are unlikely to arise in the real world.

    I mean obviously some others may push their way into the conversation with their performances (and we should all be hoping they do!!) but that's more likely to be some young/new faces like Paredes Tolkin or Cowell than Gregg vets like Lletget Roldan or Ream.

    16 to 30:
    Busio 82
    Hoppe 79
    Scally 71
    Zimmerman 70
    Yedlin 67
    Acosta 53
    Horvath 52
    de la Torre 46

    - The players who nearly made the cut (placed 24th through 30th) were: Konrad de la Fuente, Josh Sargent, Jordan Pefok, Mark McKenzie, Matt Miazga, Gyasi Zardes, and Daryl Dike.
    Maybe just maybe it's actually not that hard??
     
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  12. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
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    Of course, they're not considering that about 5 of those are injured at any specific point in time.
     
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  13. xbhaskarx

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    5 injured from a top 30 still leaves 25, which is just about how many Gregg calls in for each window... even though many of us would like for him to call in 30.
     
  14. RossD

    RossD Member+

    Aug 17, 2013
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    I'm just curious how many people who are calling for Scally have watched his games. I mean all of the games, not highlights. I haven't seen any of them so I would think it's ridiculous for me personally to call for him. I will assume the staff have watched all of his games and talked with his club coaches and have info we do not have.
    I'm not making a judgement, just curious what information these voters are basing their votes on.
     
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  15. The Clientele

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    Jun 25, 2005
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    My life experience has taught me the value of humility. Generally, I think we are trending the right direction with Gregg. Is he perfect? No. Is anyone perfect for that matter? Not really.

    Gregg’s given lots of young guys opportunities to play. Has he stuck with certain players too long? Sure. But overall, I think we will end up with a final roster most of us will be pleased with.

    I grew up playing in the 70s/80s. Today’s soccer landscape is so different from what we had before. I’m proud of the passion of our growing fan base, the players and our aspirations as a soccer country. We are getting there.

    In the end, I’m not sure it’s about being right or wrong, it’s about enjoying the ride, bantering with all of you guys, having fun watching games, and some arm chair travel as we participate in the world’s game. I’m confident great days await our National team. As a fan base, I think all the disagreements and rancor is healthy, as long as it’s respectful.

    I guess I identify with that line from Ted Lasso, “Football is life.” Let’s enjoy the ride and become better people as we do so. That must sound corny AF, but that’s how I see it.
     
  16. gogorath

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    May 12, 2019
    Umm, aside from Ethan Horvath, Joe Scally and guys that were hurt ... that's all guys Berhalter did select.

    And since there's a lot of popular names in the new faces, it seems like Berhalter did it first.

    Man, those fans, they know it all.

    Like, clearly, you just start everyone 3 games in 7 days all the time and it just works!
     
  17. don Lamb

    don Lamb Member+

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    Aug 31, 2017
    Scally is definitely deserving and bound to be called up soon.
     
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  18. RossD

    RossD Member+

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    It's not right or wrong, it's an opinion. Let's give it a rest with the, "I'm right so anyone who disagrees with me, especially the coach, is wrong." attitude.
    A lot of people don't like a couple of the coach's picks. So what? He doesn't owe a justification for why he chose players you, me, or any other fan doesn't like. It's a disgreement, that's all it is.
     
  19. The Clientele

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    To be clear, XBH contributes a ton to these boards, which I appreciate. Like I said, I think it’s cool people care enough to be challenging Berhalter’s picks. That’s a sign of a burgeoning and passionate fan base. It’s gonna take some passion to get us to the next level.
     
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  20. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
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    People told me what? That zonal defense on corners is a thing? That allowing attackers to remain unmarked goal-side? Something else? No one responded to my comment blaming Lletget for failing to mark the dude that got his head on the ball.
     
  21. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Watched him again yesterday for about half the match. He is so solid that last week a European paper posed the question, “Is Scally Gkadbach’s best player?“

    That ballot is uncanny. I’m not sure I would change a thing, including the reserves up to number 30.
     
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  22. Honore de Ballsac

    Oct 28, 2005
    France.
    I'm not really into sending an Olympic team* to the World Cup if we can help it. Certainly don't think that's the ideal group now - let alone the last year or two as some people pretend.

    *(U-23 + 3 vets whose crap games are ignored because, well, Europe.)

    And it honestly makes no difference that some of these guys have barely if ever played in an adult US game?
     
  23. Marius Tresor

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    Aug 1, 2014
    #5798 Marius Tresor, Oct 17, 2021
    Last edited: Oct 17, 2021
    That's a pretty good 23. Personally, I would take out Luca DLT and add Pefok so that we have 2 true CF options. Hoppe is more of a hybrid. Aaronson and Reyna could cover that 6th midfield spot, if needed. This would be a World Cup squad, so no rotation needed like in these 3-game qualifying windows.

    I would like to find a spot for Konrad too, but that's a tough decision on who to cut. I might go with Miazga over Zimmerman if he continues to perform well in La Liga. But that's pretty much a 50-50 decision between those 2 guys since Zimmerman has been good. Maybe FIFA will allow 24 or 25 player squads because of the new 5 sub rule? If so, problem solved.
     
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  24. xbhaskarx

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    It's not right or wrong, it's an opinion. But not all opinions are the same? There are actually good opinions and bad opinions. F*ck that "there are no stupid questions" nonsense... what kind of questions do dumb people ask, do they magically get smart right as they're posing their question?

    Is it just some weird coincidence that a lot of people seem to be in almost perfect agreement with this 23 and 30 as what the current pool should be, or differ by 1-2 players at most?

    Where are you seeing Lletget, Roldan, Arriola, Ream, etc. on that list? First window we had Jackson Yueill as the injury replacement, a player who apparently received 0 votes out of hundreds cast.
    And again, there are 30 names, Berhalter keeps calling in just around 25 for those "3 games in 7 days", which allows for 5 injuries and other omissions, without getting beyond the 30 listed... not that Lletget or Ream should even be 31.
     
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  25. Marius Tresor

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    Aug 1, 2014
    Yeah. I would add that the 30 is pretty much spot on for me, except that I might have Julian Green in there instead of Zardes.
     

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