PBP: USA v Costa Rica 10/13 7 pm ET

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  1. MuchoTakeItEasy

    MuchoTakeItEasy Member+

    LAFC
    United States
    May 16, 2015
    Land of the Free
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We tied twice at home?
     
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  2. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wouldn't this mean the players suck? This isn't foosball, this isn't FIFA. The coach doesn't control the players.
     
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  3. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Oh, Canada!

    momentarily we will have Mexico, U.S. and Canada on 11 or 10 points, all at +5GD, with the rest well behind. I think we're looking out our contingent, frankly, barring a collapse.
     
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  4. kokoplus10

    kokoplus10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 5, 2008
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He’s fighting for his life to stay on this roster. I don’t care if it’s 1000 degrees. I expect him to run through walls at a million miles an hour until he has to be stretchered off the field.

    Franky I expect that of anyone wearing the Stars and Stripes.
     
  5. kokoplus10

    kokoplus10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 5, 2008
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree. The standing don’t lie at this point.

    And unless Panama trips over themselves and/or Costa Rica suddenly get their act together I think Panama finishes out the top half of the table.
     
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  6. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    You sound like you were drinking more than I was.
     
  7. Bajoro

    Bajoro Member+

    Sep 10, 2000
    The Inland Empire
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If only we could add a couple of guys like Gio and CP...
     
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  8. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Everyone slows down in temp and humidity. Road race times are drastically different than cooler weather. But, whatever.
     
  9. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There was not enough time to spell out Zimmerman! Waston is a mismatch on our young guys.
     
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  10. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    Bryan Ruiz would have scored if he hadn’t tripped on his walker.
     
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  11. AngelaMerkin

    AngelaMerkin Member+

    Dec 2, 2005
    literally could not keep up with his walker... ripped itself right out of his own hands.
     
  12. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    I am not sure I’ve seen a sadder breakaway and that includes my own!
     
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  13. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    oh haha I thought you meant sub Zim for Weston- my bad. Clearly I was drinking more then.
     
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  14. aeschylusdanceparty

    NYRB
    United States
    Jun 3, 2021
    I know you're all waiting in suspense for yet another guys thoughts, so here we go:

    When we get Reyna and Pulisic back, our attack has some real depth, excepting of course a straight up forward. Pepe is the clear starter, and I don't mind Zardes in a role like he had tonight, coming in and running stuff down when we are up, but I don't like the idea of having Zardes on when you need a goal.

    That's the first choice midfield, clearly. Hopefully Busio or de la Torre or really anyone can step up enough to give some depth and allow for a little rotation. Right now you need at least two of our starting three on the field though even if a Busio steps up. Adams is the true leader of this squad.

    Berhalter better call in Scally for the next qualifiers because I don't rate Moore or Bello at this point. Like Zardes, I think this sort of role to kill off a game is a good fit for Yedlin, but I'd prefer him not to start. Hopefully we can get Brooks back, and with the three of Robinson, Richards, and Brooks, though no one is mistaking them for Italy, I'm comfortable with that group. McKenzie seems like a disaster waiting to happen every time he plays for us. Zimmerman can do in a pinch, but again, I don't want him to start if we can avoid it.

    I guess I hope to see Berhalter coaching us in a World Cup because otherwise that means something went terribly wrong, and we are deep enough into it now that I'd rather enjoy not living with that sort of anxiety.
     
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  15. blech

    blech Member+

    Jun 24, 2002
    California
    We are definitely OK. (But also still have plenty still to do, and plenty to be nervous about as little has been convincing...).

    As a small correction, we've only played three home games, and have 2 wins and 1 draw. In the three road games, it's 1 win, 1 loss, and 1 draw.

    Not sure what the formula is -- you certainly would like to win at home and draw on the road, but with 11 points from the 6 games, we are certainly in a good spot, even if it's looked shaky at times getting here.

    Also, while it always sucks to draw at home, Canada has shown itself to be in the upper group, which perhaps gives that result a slightly better perspective than we may have felt at the time.
     
  16. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    The Mickey Mouse Club or The breakfast Club
    May 4, 2002
    Limbo
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    No. My bad. Sometimes my mathematician's brain just can't do simple arithmetic unless I write it out all the way like:
    (I also plead "Old brain syndrome")
    (Sometimes I feel like the kid in a "Farside" comic: He's sitting at the back of the room and raises his hand: "Mrs. Brown, can I go home now? My brain is full.)

    Away tie - 1 point
    Home tie - 1 point
    Away win - 3 points
    Home win - 3 points
    Away loss - 0 points
    Home win - 3 points
    This gives 11 points out of 18
    But it is expected/wanted to win at home and tie on the road so that would be a total of 12 expected points so we are just one point below expected standard.
     
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  17. MuchoTakeItEasy

    MuchoTakeItEasy Member+

    LAFC
    United States
    May 16, 2015
    Land of the Free
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah and opportunities to make up that point will be...in Jamaica, in Mexico, in Canada, and in Costa Rica. If we can get 5 points out of those and hold serve at home we are set. Sounds reasonable but of course we've got to do it. I feel like we will have a little margin for error given all the draws and teams dropping points at home.
     
  18. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hopefully before he came to New York.
     
  19. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Our northern neighbors know how to finish off a team at home, though Panama were caught on the break for 2 and 3.
     
  20. NietzscheIsDead

    NietzscheIsDead Member+

    NO WAR
    United States
    May 31, 2019
    NO WAR
    Sergino Dest - Man of the Match

    Is there another player in the pool who can have this kind of performance? It was like the U20 World Cup all over again where all of the success came from attacks involving the backs and Dest was the guy who was the threat to destroy. This window has been a really good one for Dest, who was the primary attacking threat and was directly involved in 3 of the 4 goals scored. This window showed us a kind of attacking right back we have never seen before in the US. This is a true world class player. His goal was as good as it gets from an individual standpoint and he wrecked his side of the field constantly just like he did against Jamaica.

    Weston McKennie had a really good second half. Adams was good over 90 minutes. Musah had his moments also. Busio has improved considerably since heading to Italy, which is crazy. He already thinks and responds faster.
     
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  21. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Post game thread https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/usa-vs-costa-rica-10-13-21.2117903/page-14
     
  22. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Just wait and see that for the next window Berhalter will call in Lletget, Acosta, Roldan, Zardes and Arriola again. He will eventually leave out players like KDLF, Hoppe, LDLT and Busio.
     
  23. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    A better, more forward looking midfield = better attack. Elite attackers = more goal opportunities.

    My regret, besides the overthought and misguided Panama lineup decisions, is how underused and misused Hoppe, Busio and DLT were. My dream depth chart:

    CF: Pepi, Hoppe
    Wing: CP, Aaronson, Weah, Konrad,
    AM: Reyna, Musah, McKennie, DLT
    DM: Adams, Acosta, Busio
    Wingbacks: Dest, ARob, Scally, Yedlin,
    CB: MRob, Richards, Brooks, Zimmerman

    If Lleget and Arriola were removed from the picture, the attack will improve w/o any defensive drop off, IMO
     
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  24. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    is he really though who is going to take his spot? hoppe barely played and was awful and josh sargent is well josh sargent lol.
     
  25. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Home matches against mediocre CCAF opposition (w/ questionable tactics) = better attack.

    Last cycle Lletget started a match v. Honduras we won 6-0. This window we won 2-1 and 2-0 v. similar opponents w/out him. That's not a better attack.

    This qualifying already w/out him on the road we scored 0 goals at El Salvador. 4-0 in a half w/ him at Honduras. Were shut out in the 1st half.

    Earlier this cycle, after losing 2-0 on the road v. Canada, we beat them 4-1 adding Lletget, Zardes, and co.

    Immediately after that aforementioned 6-0 v. Honduras last cycle, we drew 1-1 on the road. 4-0 v. Panama at home, then 1-2 T&T on the road. They rotated very little.

    So to ignore these home-road variances, the more Euro-based group enjoyed this time around, and Lletget + the more domestic-based contingent didn't, is being dishonest or foolish. And Lletget has arguably handled the home-road variance better than most, even though on paper he's more adept in a tight space, possession style.

    Outside of maybe 10 players in this pool (that doesn't include Dest, McKennie, and Pulisic), our players can't adjust very well to different styles of play, and handle playing on the road well, so their effectiveness plummets. Maybe with different peaks and valleys, but that's true. So you have to play to strengths and away from weaknesses.

    Canada, factoring in schedule, has out-played us so far, including our more Euro-based lineups. Their typical lineup has 6-7 MLS-based players, none of whom who are all that young. Outside of maybe a Miles at cb, many fans want to cull this contingent from the equation, even in a rotation.

    Maybe this more comes down to a fed that has us playing on the road very little for short-sighted monetary reasons, and a manager who sets up players poorly. For now a more Euro-based lineup benefited from playing at home instead to technically enjoy w's, in historically lackluster w's, which people still pretend to be impressive, while the other sides of their mouths saying we should have as high or higher standards than in the past because of their club pedigrees.

    Reality is it takes a mix of backgrounds & experience-levels, and for them to be set up well, to maximize results, while qualifying comfortably in the end. The sooner our manager and fan base realize this, the better it will be for our enjoyment and sanity.
     

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