News: Fire Berhalter

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  1. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One man’s bashing is another’s critical evaluation of the current coach who was hired based on nepotism and has done little to show he’s anything more than a mid tier mls level coach which falls below the level that this current team needs
     
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  2. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Whether you like or dislike him that would be a massive mistake based on a ridiculous amount of evidence. International soccer should be cycle and done.
     
  3. wixson7

    wixson7 Member+

    May 12, 2009
    boulder
    Still on the nepotism thing. Bro get over it.

    My guess is you've never liked him and never will
     
  4. RossD

    RossD Member+

    Aug 17, 2013
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    You try to defend what you write as critical evaluation but then you go right into a derogatory comment and name calling.
     
  5. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    And shit like this is why the USMNT forums have the worst reputation on this site.
     
  6. yurch10

    yurch10 Member+

    Feb 13, 2004
    What was the name calling?
     
  7. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What was derogatory calling him a mid level mls coach? That’s what his record shows him to be. Where did I call him a name?
     
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  8. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Get over it? I’m just supposed to forget it. Get hell of here with that nonsense. That “job search” was a straight joke.
     
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  9. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    yeah but most of what you guys say is bs because you will flip flop based on a thirty second stretch in a match.

    I mean all summer it was how deep the us is and now its why are they rotating so much lol.

    fans are just that and everyone is dumb just some dont know it they believe their own bs.
     
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  10. RossD

    RossD Member+

    Aug 17, 2013
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Calling his hiring nepotisitic is derogatory. Calling him a mid tier level mls coach was used in a negative way as a putdown, it wasn't needed. Critical evaluations do no include putdowns, derogatory comments, or negative characterizations. "mid tier" is your opion and critical evalutions do not include unsupported characterizations. Talk about his win loss record, compare him to other MLS coaches with statisitcs and other factual information, but keep your unsupported opinion out of it if you want to call what you are writing Critical Evaluating.
     
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  11. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    Ever been to the politics forum?
     
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  12. yurch10

    yurch10 Member+

    Feb 13, 2004
    None of that is name calling. Don't be so sensitive.
     
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  13. dams

    dams Member+

    United States
    Dec 22, 2018
    #788 dams, Oct 17, 2021
    Last edited: Oct 17, 2021
    I wouldn't shed a tear for GGG, he has the easiest coaching gig in the world. Almost complete job security, a sympathetic press corps, and bosses that are buddies of his. His only external "criticism" comes from Internet forums and small you tube bloggers. He might not even be aware of it. Unless he is in danger of not qualifying, which he is not, he will not be receiving any criticism that is actually meaningful.

    My contention is, and always has been that Gregg would be far better off if he were less comfortable. Some of his better moments (second Canada NL game and just this last game come to mind) came when he was feeling the pressure. Gregg is NOT getting fired, and since I'm a Nats fan, he has my support 100%. My hope is however, that more people actively become critical of him and ask the difficult questions, including members of the established media. In the long run, it's going to only help Gregg, the national team, and his supporters.
     
  14. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    If you're the coach of any international team, you're used to criticism. You tune it out and do your job.

    Berhalter is going to be our coach thru the 2022WC. People can thrash about and waste emotional energy in these "Fire Berhalter" threads if they want, but its all wasted.

    2020/1 Nations League: Champion
    2021 Gold Cup: Champion
    2022 WCQing: On track

    The only way that Berhalter is going to get fired is if the USMNT fails to qualify for the World Cup, which is something no USMNT fan should be rooting for.
     
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  15. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    its posts like this that make me think that nothing that happens matters because you will always be unhappy.

    what are the difficult questions? is the usmnt the worst fanbase in hemisphere? yeah probably

    guy won both the trophies he had a chance to win this year(beat the big rival) and is on pace to qualify for the world cup...what exactly else do you want of him? Oh I forgot you want complete dominance and tactical brilliance with an incredibly limited roster and one that is unable to perform if the temperature is over 25°C or 50% humidity lol.
     
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  16. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Not only that, Berhalter has completely flipped the national team since he took over 2019. He's done exactly what the fanbase wanted him to do by using the next generation. Our average age of the Costa Rica lineup was 22. He started two 18 year olds against a nation that was in a World Cup quarterfinal in the past decade. The most capped player in our starting lineup was 23 year old Weston McKennie.

    And people complain that he uses 26 year olds. Acosta, Arriola, and Roldan are younger than any player that was in Costa Rica's starting XI.

    That's how young the USMNT currently is. Our old veterans are 26.

    One thing I know we can expect with a national team this young and inexperienced is inconsistency. Particularly on the road. Due to COVID, we've played very few games on the road with this group. Gold Cup was at home. Nations League was at home. We played a few games in Europe, but the fan atmosphere was nonexistent.

    I expect days like we had against Panama with this team.
    We learn from that now so that this team can be better years from now.

    I mean..................this team might be on track to be the youngest team in the history of the World Cup. Cuz you gotta get Pulisic and Reyna in there too. Literally. And still people bitch about Berhalter using a veteran or two.
     
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  17. Mt Stone@

    Mt Stone@ Member

    Apr 30, 2016
    USA
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    You don't think there was Nepotism and favoritism involved in the GGG hire?? Be honest...was Gregg really at the top of the list of hires that could have taken over this program? The dude was like .500 in MLS and got bounced out of Swedish football. Doesn't really scream, hey come coach the youngest most talented generation of american footballers in history!
     
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  18. The Clientele

    The Clientele Member+

    Portland Timbers
    Jun 25, 2005
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is a constructive way to frame your POV. Good stuff.
     
  19. dams

    dams Member+

    United States
    Dec 22, 2018
    Until we win the WC I'll always be looking for improvement, and I see plenty of room to get better. Particularly in Gregg's player selection, and in game management. I am not one that is calling for his firing, but he certainly has room to improve in my mind and I think he can.
     
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  20. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    did you think they were going to hire someone they didnt like/know?

    won nations league, gold cup and second in qualifying...I mean he could be doing worse right?
     
  21. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    a)the us will never win the world cup, get over it
    b)since a is a fact you need to put more enjoyment in the process stop overthinking fandom. you dont understand the player selection/tactics enough to really be that picky.

    oh and by the way you never said what ur 'difficult' questions are or how you'd make him uncomfortable?
     
  22. Mt Stone@

    Mt Stone@ Member

    Apr 30, 2016
    USA
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Please point me to one game that gives you me or anyone confidence that this team knows how to play a complete game. Nations league? where Mexico dominated us in all aspects of the game except set pieces? Gold Cup? where we 1-0 our way through the entire tourney of which we looked pretty shit in every game against concacaf teams that don't even really take that tournament seriously anymore.

    Concacaf qualifying? Come on dude this team should be cruising through this and they very much aren't. Costa Rica is like 135 years old... Mexico is a shadow of their former self... Jamaica can't even pay their players so none of them want to play... Canada has one class player... and teams like Panama are like 68th in the world and Gregg couldn't even get this team to put one shot on goal against them. Why? Well because its warm in Panama and brown fans from Central America are scarwy!

    hahaha come on dude... stop praising mediocrity. The talent on this US team is anything but mediocre. And Gregg very much is a mediorce .500 MLS coach who got bounced from Swedish football because he wasn't very good.
     
  23. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006

    nations league....win
    gc...win
    wcq...second place and cruising to qualification

    be upset if you want dude

    are you won of those fans that complained about france tactics in the world cup even though they won lol.

    Canada has more then the best player in concacaf and you rate usmnt players way too high that is clear.
     
  24. Eldinter

    Eldinter Member

    Jul 28, 2009
    Fort Wayne, IN
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wouldn't criticize Berhalter as much if he would show improvement from past mistakes. Panama was a serious regression
     
  25. dams

    dams Member+

    United States
    Dec 22, 2018
    We may never win the WC but that is certainly not fact, and winning it should be the goal in my eyes regardless. To me, the process should be about improvement, and enjoyment can come from seeing the improvement, even if we don't attain the goal. In any event, I appreciate the advice but wouldn't worry about me and my fandom too much. I enjoy rooting for the Nats but they are really more of a diversion to me more than anything, a small and somewhat insignificant part of my life in the big picture. I'll be good one way or the other.

    I would not make him uncomfortable and can't posting on an Internet forum, that was my original point. It's part of the job of the mainstream press to do that and they don't. I can think of a handful of very perplexing decisions by Gregg in the Panama game alone that have been rehashed over and over on these forums. Why did he go with such a defensive line up (did he not learn against Honduras that was problematic), why did he not start an attacking midfielder (when time and time again we have struggled to score with this type of midfield), why did he start Arriolla (after Paul just went 90 and ran his a@s off and the value he brings is predicated on running), why did he sub in Yedlin when he was down a goal and desperately needed to score? Did he not learn in NL in Canada that subbing an outside back with a limited skill set (Lovitz) when down a goal is not a recipe for success? Why did he not sub in Hoppe who was arguably our best attacker in the NL, or LDLT, or Busio who are all attacking options when we desperately needed a goal? Was he conceding at that point, trying to limit the damage, and if so, why would he do that? These are all questions that can be asked respectfully in a way where Gregg needs to answer them, and can't just spit back platitudes. He may have perfectly reasonable reasons for why he did some of these things and it's possible that he does not. It's possible it will make Gregg think about things from a different perspective and he will learn from his mistakes and improve as a coach, or it might not. In any event, it's likely to make him less comfortable with things and it seems to me that he has performed better when he is feeling the heat a bit.

    If Panama were the lone instance, I would chalk it up as a bad day, but it isn't, and I'm not alone in thinking this. If I had to look at one area where we could see immediate improvement in this team, the low hanging fruit, I'd say it is in Gregg's lineups and game management. He is not going anywhere for a minimum of this cycle, and possibly he will even be here next cycle so he needs to improve in my mind and I think he can. Others clearly disagree, including you, and if you think that he has been great, then fine, who am I to say are are wrong my brother.
     

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