WCQ 2022 - Colombia vs Ecuador (October 14th)

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  1. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
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    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I think that's why the VAR reversal hurt me so much. I was so angry all game and then it seemed to work out. I thought I'd seen a miracle. My 7 year old asked me why I was screaming...

    And then it evaporated like a mirage in the dessert and all I could taste was the sand...
     
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  2. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I see what you’re saying but we should be flexible enough to play in a style where we can rely on short quick passing and making runs and passing the ball into space regardless of who is playing.

    The starting lineup was more than capable of doing that. If it’s going to take the perfect starting 11 to move the ball better, then we are in deep [emoji90]
     
  3. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
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    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Well, those 11 players are capable but if C4 can't come up because he is afraid and Juanfer is playing too deep because he doesn't trust himself to track back if he makes a run...

    I think if we start with Munoz instead of Borre and free C4 to work with Quintero further up field we prob have a different game.
     
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  4. Baal88

    Baal88 Member+

    May 10, 2008
    Medellin
    Club:
    Independiente Medellin
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    #229 Baal88, Oct 15, 2021
    Last edited: Oct 15, 2021
    My team would be this:
    ----Ospina
    Muñoz-Mina-Cuesta-Yairo

    ---------------Barrios
    -----Atuesta---------Cantillo

    Valoyes--------------------Diaz

    ------------Borja

    I know, way too many experiments at the same time, but desperate times call for desperate measures, and I prefer 2 players like Cantillo and Atuesta that are able to get through balls, control the game and defend than a Genius like Quintero, who is incredibly hot and cold. Games must be won first in the midfield and we've been losing there consistently because we are only throwing number and bodies instead of quality with the ball.

    Valoyes because he is a machine at creating goalscoring chances and the closest thing to prime Cuadrado that we have now. Borja because he´s been our most consistent goalscorer alongside Diaz.
     
  5. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Cuadrado was pushing forward last night- wasn’t he? Isnt that why we have barrios and uribe/Cuellar to cover that ground when JC goes up?

    Sadly JC11 - i know you like to use C4 ;)- also has a tendency to kill any momentum when he does his step overs hoping to draw a foul. It’s at the point where players don’t come to him anymore for support or they don’t make runs.

    Point I’m trying to make is the predictable passes and inability to make runs / pass into space has been ongoing since 2015 - for me the problem is bigger than JC playing or not playing RB.

    We have 5 subs, our players should be working harder bc we have that luxury now and we don’t even take advantage of that most of the time
     
  6. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
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    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I am sure that's the way Rueda drew it up. In practice, I fear that's why we had the disconnect.

    C4 only started to really attack once Munoz came on and that's when we titled the field and came on later in the game with urgency... But it just didn't have clarity.
     
  7. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Glad I was at a concert and did not watch this live.

    I am just going to say what I have been saying since last cycle. The heat during the day in Barranquilla seems to effect our guys more than it does the opponent. And if you have noticed our opponents like to roll on the floor and waste time more often than not, breaking up the rhythm of the match.

    We should only play night matches at home or play in another city.

    Kudos to Ecuador though. They outplayed us for much of the match and got what they needed.
     
  8. Tio Nicci

    Tio Nicci Member+

    Nov 13, 2008
    Houston, Texas
    Club:
    Deportivo Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I don't like the the two striker attack, added I also don't like how Quintero has been playing.. With that said

    We may have to play a more Narrow formation against teams that like to counter attack. Perhaps a 1 striker with a left forward and right forward.

    A 4-3-2-1 diamond

    Or we can start Yerry Mina at Striker, since he has more goals in his name than most of our stirkers.

    lineup (6).png
     
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  9. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    I hope Yairo can get healthy cause I think he has better style of game for the left side with Diaz.
     
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  10. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
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    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    That looks like an interesting line up to me, but I am worried we can't move to many pieces going into Brasil.

    On piece at a time probably...
     
  11. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    is Fabra not an option? my friend who is a Boca fan always praises Fabra and always has good things to say about Air Jorman and even Cardona.
     
  12. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    how did you do the formation photo? is there an app you use? i like the lineup / formation but i just see the same problems continue if our guys play with their backs to the goal

    i noticed that Ecuador was somehow able to get a friendly with mexico at the end of october. it would be nice if we could get a friendly for our south american based players.
     
  13. Tio Nicci

    Tio Nicci Member+

    Nov 13, 2008
    Houston, Texas
    Club:
    Deportivo Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I go to

    https://www.buildlineup.com/

    download a jpeg and upload file on forum.
     
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  14. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    We can change time and place we play but our manager specifically sets us up to play anti football every game so its not gonna matter. We don't want possession and our guys mainly run away from the ball, every time someone gets the ball they are largely isolated when we go into attacking areas, there is no progression through the midfield unless Quintero or Cuadrado come pick up the ball and then there is no movement off the ball or combinations to break teams down aside from a magical through ball from Quintero or Cuadrado dribbling and crossing. This is terrible offensive soccer, no idea why we play Borre who's basically not adding any offense rather then play a 4-3-3 and add a midfielder who wants possession and can break from midfield.
     
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  15. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Various things need to get better and changes must be focused upon in a multi-facet fashion.
    I just brought up that one observation that the heat and humidity seems to effect us more than it does our opponents during the day.
     
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  16. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    very well written - if anyone has the mental strength to re-watch, just notice how much TV time any of our players get when they have the ball before another teammate shows up on the screen to be an outlet pass option. it's frightening and count the number of times we cross the ball and noone is there. it's almost as if we are doing this on purpose. we've all have played pickup games that show more team cohesion. i really wonder if we do this anti-football on purpose...

    to add further to this - just looking at the stats (from FutMob) from last 3 games:

    Against Ecuador:
    Borre - 18 touches
    Duvan - 13 touches
    JFQ - 51 touches
    Lucho - 39 touches

    Against Brazil:
    Falcao - 27 touches
    Roger - 24 touches
    Quintero - 46 touches
    Lucho - 36 touches

    Against Uruguay:
    Falcao - 26 touches
    Borre - 22 touches
    Lucho - 55 touches
    JC11 - 56 touches

    For Argentina against Peru:
    Mess - 86 touches
    Di Maria - 48 touches
    Lauturo - 25 touches

    For Brazil against Uruguay:
    DeJesus - 26 touches
    Neymar - 89 touches
    Paqueta - 55 touches
    Raphinha - 64 touches
     
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  17. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
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    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    #242 ryu79, Oct 15, 2021
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2021
    23 hrs later I am still emotionally exhausted and devastated by the VAR reversal...

    Don't know about you guys but this one really stung. Not the decision itself but just the feeling that we'd done it and then having it snapped away.
     
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  18. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    while I support VAR, the era of VAR has really made it where u can’t really enjoy a goal.
     
  19. Froboy69

    Froboy69 Member+

    Inter Milan
    Colombia
    Mar 25, 2011
    San Diego
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Don't ********ing start; the AMOUNT OF TIMES that VAR has saved our asses/corrected what would have been an injustice.

    I rather we don't complain even at the slightest. You know, all things considering good karma with how much fortune we've gotten with it.
     
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  20. Tio Nicci

    Tio Nicci Member+

    Nov 13, 2008
    Houston, Texas
    Club:
    Deportivo Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    But VAR still doesn't fix referees interpretations of the game. If Handball against Ecuador then Handball against Brazil.
     
  21. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    There is a rule that a goal cannot count if the ball hits the hand of the offensive player in the box.
    They were obligated to say that was hand ball.

    The Brazil one was a different scenario and situation.
     
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  22. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
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    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I think the issue is that the ball wouldn't have been there for Yerry to control it if it hadn't touched his hand.

    It's tough on Yerry because he doesn't know where the ball is when it touches his hand, it could just as easily have come off an opponent, just wasn't meant to be.

    That said, I still feel that the Brasil call was poor and if the other way would have absolutely been called against us.
     
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  23. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    I still think it would have been too harsh to call it against Brasil or hypothetically us.
     

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