Watch list Attackers Orange team

Discussion in 'The Netherlands' started by feyenoordsoccerfan, Oct 11, 2019.

  1. Jpows

    Jpows Member+

    F.C. Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jun 4, 2018
    I’d hazard saying he means Danjuma, and there’s no way in hell he means that walking L, especially not out wide. In this case he’s likely referring to Lang. Finally, M for Malen.
     
  2. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    Thanks for ruining a well set trap.

    Memphis is a guy who comes and cuts in off the left so I'm not sure about him as a Target man. But if you're kind of playing a mixture of false nine / no real Foward and want the front three to be interchangeable so the center backs have a different person pressing them every few minutes and can't adjust to one attacker then I can see how this lineup would work.
     
  3. wilson00

    wilson00 Member

    Oct 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    the situation was same with Bergwijn starting on the left and Depay in the middle vs Norway
     
  4. bunbohue

    bunbohue Member+

    Apr 5, 2005
    Can 1 of Danjuma, Lang or Gakpo play in the right wing?
     
  5. wilson00

    wilson00 Member

    Oct 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    lang.
     
  6. Kelvin Cheung

    Kelvin Cheung Member

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    May 13, 2019
    Could we just drop Memphis? I do not know what kind of player he is. He is so inconsistent and his work-rate is terrible. Yes, he could score but just look at how many chances he had missed. Could we just try Gakpo - Weghorst/Malen - Danjuma who are just free to swap their positions if needed?
     
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  7. wilson00

    wilson00 Member

    Oct 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I was thinking along the same lines and it could give a good balance upfront as well but I doubt it will happen. His set pieces are also awful.
     
  8. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Absolute horrible idea!! Depay has 12 goals in his last 12 matches for Oranje, we have no other talent who could do better then that
     
  9. BaritoPutra

    BaritoPutra Member+

    Jan 26, 2007
    Not sure I followed the reasoning of dropping Memphis…

    Memphis has re-discovered his mojo under LVG. I know it’s only been two games… but not only his offensive output showed encouraging sign, his body language and overall attitude have improved as well.

    Of all the many things that FdB did wrong, one thing that I couldn’t make sense (forgive) was his incompetence, or lack of willingness, to build the attack around Memphis. Sadly he rather put LDJ in the center (banishing Memphis to the side), or going with the two-man attack that took away Memphis’ space.

    Memphis as a center forward (focal point) in a 3-man attack is the way to go IMHO. The existing challenge, as LVG already admitted, is fielding the two wingers who can complement him, or better yet, make him a more dangerous attacker.

    I have my own reservation on Berghuis as a RW (as I’ve written before… too predictable, no speed). I am glad that he is shifting to CAM at Ajax, which I think can easily be replicated and benefited at the NT setup.

    Personally, I like “traditional” wingers with demonic speed, ability to send crosses to the box and net goals when called upon… Gakpo, Malen, Lang, Danjuma, Bergwijn. That’s my pecking order today (it will change again in weeks/months time, I am sure, as season progresses).
     
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  10. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Lang had a falling out with the Brugge trainer yesterday for losing his cool against Anderlecht. This was the type of behavior that got him into trouble at Ajax. I hope he solves this problem which is largely self-inflicted.
     
  11. Kelvin Cheung

    Kelvin Cheung Member

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    May 13, 2019
    My point is to just explore more viable attacking options. As a matter of fact, Memphis does have an outstanding account of contributions but that was because our attacking formations was built around him and the opponents were not that great. As far as I can remember, Memphis rarely scored against stronger opponents in movement attacks (except penalties). My criticism is that he has been trying to do far too much unnecessary stuff where he needs not do so and unwilling to pass to teammates fast unless he could not finish by himself. He has by far been given too much liberty in attack. He can choose to play in a simpler, faster and effective way.
     
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  12. BaritoPutra

    BaritoPutra Member+

    Jan 26, 2007
    Memphis is now the 6th most prolific scorer for Oranje (35 goals total), On par with RVN.

    Need 2 goals (hopefully coming next month in final qualifier matches for WC 2022 :thumbsup:) - to equal Robben and Bergkamp.
     
  13. bunbohue

    bunbohue Member+

    Apr 5, 2005
    I'd like to see how this team perform in the 2 matches in November, but personally, I really like to see Danjuma-Memphis-Lang as the front 3. As some of you already pointed out, I also like the wingers who has the ability to dribble past at least one opponent, can cross and score. I don't mind Gakpo and Berghuis but I prefer Danjuma and Lang. Now we have surplus up front (and it is a nice problem to have): Memphis, Danjuma, Lang, Gakpo, Berghuis, Malen, Weghorst and this does not even include Bergwijn. There is simply no place for LDJ. Usually there are 6 spots for up front. One option will be to move Berghuis to MF (although to be honest I have not watched him playing this at Ajax) or take one less MF.
     
  14. bunbohue

    bunbohue Member+

    Apr 5, 2005
    I also would like to see Memphis raising his performance against strong opponents. I also agreed that he has been trying to do far too much unnecessary stuff where he needs not do so where he can choose to play in a simpler, faster and effective way. However, I still feel that you need him as a center striker for his movement as well as his ability to link with wingers and MF. He does this better than other options that we have (Weghorst, Malen, Til). I'd rather have him to start the game and then put in Weghorst in the 2nd half if we need to change tactic. Having said that, I am still uncomfortable with Memphis' careless touches or decisions (including his free kick) many times during the game
     
  15. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Malen starts again today
     
  16. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    ...and Haaland is also in the lineup. Ajax will have their hands full on Tuesday with Malen, Haaland and Reus up front.
     
  17. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Lets hope Reus doesnt score another goal like he did today :eek:
     
  18. You could start rumours Haaland is in the cross hairs for elimination for the Last WCQ match;).
     
  19. Nah, Reuss never scores against a Dutch team.
     
  20. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Anyone can score against Ajax and my biggest worry is that Dortmund will not screw up counters when Ajax lose the ball with too many players up high.
     
  21. BaritoPutra

    BaritoPutra Member+

    Jan 26, 2007
    Cody Gakpo with an inspiring MOTM performance today as PSV left it late (final few minutes of the game) to score three goals in a quick succession… 1 assist from a corner kick, and 1 goal. A couple really good chances as well, one in particular forced a difficult save by the PEC goalie. Gakpo’s total so far this season: 6 goals, 8 assists. :cool:

    Lang assisted too yesterday. 4 goals, 5 assists this season.

    Danjuma’s turn tomorrow to add to his tally :thumbsup:
     
  22. bunbohue

    bunbohue Member+

    Apr 5, 2005
    Dortmund will be a good test for Ajax. Looking forward to see this!

    Maybe Memphis can get Barca to buy this Technik Foot to improve his free kick...;)
    http://www.technikfoot.com/technikfoot1.mp4
     
  23. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Danjuma starts again
     
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  24. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Danjuma didnt do much today. Pulled in 78' minute
     

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