Norwich Coach- US wants to focus on players playing in American league for WC qualifying.

Yeah, I somehow doubt that even our federation said something so baldly dumb to the manager of the worst team in the PL. Charitably, Farke misinterpreted something about Sargent’s non callup. Most likely he’s shielding Sargent from criticism after an indifferent start to his Norwich career.

 

I imagine Berhalter said “we have an 18 year old out of Dallas who came up big last window.” And a quick word about Zardes as the depth man based on his recent league form. Hence the focus on domestic players.

Or he could’ve revealed a grand plan to not include Euro-based players across the board and then ignore that plan for the Jamaica game. Who knows.

 

That's absurd but I believe you made the same comment about was it Brad Evans when he was first called. How did that turn out?

Many made similar statements about Jordan Morris when he was called out of college. Again how did that turn out.

Players like Eric Alexander, Will Bruin, and Ethan Finlay got caps yet you are concerned about a player that a top Liga MX club bought for $1M at around the same time period?

 

Indeed, and fair play to him to shield his player, but the mentality of fans who would take what this guy says and run with it...

 

Its amazing how quickly you go to wild speculation. You left out that the Chinese-made thermostats beamed the info into his brain right after they changed the voting machines.

On the other hand Norwich does have 2 USMNT(strikers) players on their books, one of who did experience GB call an out of season CM to a Euro squad and start that CM at striker over the actual striker.

 

Wikipedia says he only played 8 matches for Leon. He’s 31 and now plays in the USL. Wikipedia doesn’t say anything about injuries. So the club probably made a mistake. It happens…top soccer minds make mistakes.

 

Ibarra was unquestionably part of a nonsensical pissing contest Klinsmann was having with MLS leadership. Ibarra did very little as a pro at a level higher than the NASL. He also called up every player from Mexico with a pulse, many of whom weren't remotely good enough for the USMNT. Far below MLS quality. Am I the only one who remembers USMNT callups for Alonso Hernandez and those cats? Probably.

Another part of Klinsmann's pissing contest with MLS was calling up an NCAA player that he liked. That was Jordan Morris, who had up until the point very little involvement with USYNTs. So that's one that Klinsmann unquestionaly got right.......................

 

Brad Evans was better than Ibarra and still wasn’t good enough so I’m not sure the point there. That he had one good game for the NT? Morris is a solid role player who’s always hurt. Ibarra was a second division player who was called up purely out of spite. At least those two were solid contributors in MLS and have made contributions to the NT in their respective, limited roles. Ibarra is not a good example of anything with respect to the NT and MLS because he was always a spite call up.

 

Bingo. That is what bugs some of you about Ibarra's callup, he is of Mexican descent.

You don't hear the same complaints about Eric Alexander, Will Bruin, K Shelton, Fatai Alashe, and Connor Lade. Yet all those players were Klinsmann stretch callups.

Call a colorful D2 golden ball winner at the beginning of a new cycle for a look-see, a player good enough to get purchased by a top LIgaMX club, and it is some kind of a conspiracy crisis that needs to be brought up 7 years later?

On the other hand, Connor Lade...

 

That is such a weak sauce argument, that it’s Ibarra’s ethnicity that’s the problem people
had with the call up, and not the fact that he sucks out loud and was a obvious pawn in the Garber/Klinsmann slap fight.

 

It's wild to speculate that Berhalter talked to Josh Sargent's coach about Josh Sargent's direct competition for playing time on the U.S.? I have to respectfully disagree with that. Don't know what the voter conspiracy stuff has to do with anything. I found that line to be an incredibly stupid part of an already borderline nonsensical post.

 

I have never understood the complaint about Ibarra. Unfortunately, I did understand it, but it isnt a reasonable complaint. People hated Klinsmann and thought his job was to market MLS. He started a January camp game and then came on at halftime of a friendly against Mexico after a 2 minute cameo for a total of just less then 1.5 games worth of minutes in 3 caps. He didnt look out of place in any of the games.

Miguel Ibarra—With the exception of hardcore NASL fans, most of us had no idea what the U.S. had in Ibarra since he was first called up last fall. What we saw today was a player willing and able to run at defenders and still do the defensive work the wide position requires. His final pass was lacking but he looked like a player who could help the U.S. at this level. Rating: 5.5

LM 9- Miguel Ibarra (3/0) 46th minute for Corona: 6- While his work-rate was never in question, Ibarra’s second half cameo will be remembered for the smartly timed tackles made after long runs to get back behind the ball. The first came in the 51st minute. Three minutes later, Ibarra flung himself in front of a cross to keep the ball from re-entering a chaotic penalty area following an unsteady punch-out from Yarbrough on a free-kick. 15 minutes from time, Shea did the dirty work to win the ball inside the six, but Ibarra had come back and was on hand to make the vital clearance to ensure that Shea’s work was not in vain.

There have been tons of players of Ibarra's level who have gotten much more minutes over the years, especially under the current coach.

Klinsmann viewed his job as helping US and not just MLS. The Ibarra and Morris call ups highlighted a couple of related things. First, there were players in the US outside of MLS that could help the USMNT. Secondly, player movement in the US isnt efficient and players outside of MLS had no shot of getting to MLS outside an expansion team or college draft. Unfortunately, nothing has changed.

 

You can speculate about anything you want and you frequently do. Unfortunately none of it has any relationship to reality.

 

This is pathetic even by your usual low standards, THHF...

 

It’s reality that Sargent wasn’t chosen this window, while Pepi and Zardes were. It’s reality that this fact aligns with the quote that is the basis for this thread.

 

Wow, Weah in for an injured Arriloa.

 

Does this mean Big Soccer was wrong?

 

I thought Christian Ramirez should have been called up, at least to take a look at him and give him a shot.
Obviously I mention that because Ramirez was Ibarra's teammate in the second division.
The difference between the two: Ramirez is/was like two tiers above Ibarra as a player!
The problem is Klinsmann couldn't even call up the right guy with his NASL spite call up....
Both are Hispanic, but have no idea of their background beyond that... do you think people who support/oppose various call ups are genealogists looking these dudes up on Ancestry.com?

As for your comment don't we have plenty of (very legitimate most of the time) dual national panic over US-Mexico players? That would seem to suggest people are not opposed to players of Mexican descent, and perhaps even want them to play for the US? It friggin sucks that the US just lost out on Julian Araujo. Is there a big anti-Pepi contingent on this site? What the hell are you even talking about??

 

Looks like the plan tonight was decidedly not to "focus for these games on players who play in the USA and their league."

 

This is silly.

 

Well he did start lowly MLS player Ricardo Pepi where Sarge should have been playing. And Miles Robinson over McKenzie.

 

You know that I love a good Klinsmann dog fight but the poster I responded to has over the years made numerous comments about JK calling Mexican players as if that is a problem. Even in his post he referenced JK (Herzog) calling a USMNT U23 player to a U23 camp. Why would that be problem? Look at the names from that roster.

Forwards: Alonso Hernandez (Monterrey), Jerome Kiesewetter (VfB Stuttgart), Alfred Koroma Shams (Internacional), Jordan Morris (Stanford University), Mario Rodriguez (Borussia Mönchengladbach), Khiry Shelton (New York City FC)

As for Ramirez he was on the radar and honestly folks who had problems with Ibarra would have had the same problem with Ramirez! Most in the US soccer community did not know of either player at that time.

Someone else who has noticed the partnership is U.S. head coach Jurgen Klinsmann, who not only handed Ibarra a surprising national team call-up, but mentioned Ramirez by name when discussing players he is watching in his search for potential national team talent.

https://sbisoccer.com/2014/10/spotlight-christian-success

 

I don't have a huge issue leaving off Brooks. Except ex-MLSer McKenzie is on the roster.

Lletget has been worse than Brooks. But he's back. And over de la Torre. Acosta, the same.

Arriola over Hoppe. Understandable, and not bad, but deeply predictable. I'm not a fan.

Apparently you can't play your way off the team if you're an MLSer. Because Lletget and Acosta have tried.

 

So you're against Adams, Aaronson, Cannon, Steffen, Pepi, Turner and M Robinson? Now you're included as an MLS pet even if you don't play there now? I think McKenzie is the antidote to the silly MLS callups because him being called up over Brooks is silly but he's not MLS any more.