As long as its not Sean Johnson I don't see a ton between Steffen and Turner. Ones a little better passer but also passes into trouble more, better acrobatically(Steffen). Ones worse with passing but better positionally to stop shots(Turner). Each have holes and both should be good enough to see this out at 0 and get a win.
Oh Steffen fans........where aaaare youuu???? Thats your boy??? I anxiously await the excuses........
First time the US has conceded a first minute goal in… 23 years!! Matt Turner got to be on the bench thinking what?— Men in Blazers (@MenInBlazers) October 13, 2021 "Let's see if Steffen can do better than my 0.36 goals per game..."— Dr. Bhaskar Ⓥ (((Parody))) (@xbhaskarx) October 13, 2021 Can’t wait for pundits to blame the team’s youth and inexperience when Steffen is by far the oldest in the lineup…. 1448418562276831237 is not a valid tweet id Lmaooo
Something......something.....possession......something......something..... look at that thing on replay......look at it. It freaking rolled in, and he didnt even try......
Counterpoint: MAN CITY Can’t believe Gregg Berhalter decided to start a Premier League champion in goal tonight. Outrageous decision. Off with his head imho.— Rob Usry (@RobUsry) October 13, 2021
LOL , and theres that great distribution I've been hearing about, kicking straight out of play. All those clips of Turner.........all of them, look at that. Look at what just happened. That was EXPONENTIALLY WORSE than any of that tape that was put as a counterpoint. "possession" (which was trash btw) over shot stopping? Like, are you legitimately high??? Turner vs Steffen died today. It is dead.
Pretty pathetic, guys, and I don't mean Steffen's play. Steffen and Turner seem capable of rooting for each other and the team. Sad that you're apparently unable to do so ...
Blah blah blah 1. Soft goal? Sure but way more on the defense than Steffen 2. WAY better with the ball at his feet. Totally in control playing out the back. 3. Better command of the 6. Not slamming Turner at all but you need to good keepers. We do.
And I'll chime in as the lone crazy voice in the wilderness to say I think Horvath is actually our best keeper. Too bad he's made such spectacularly unfortunate career choices it doesn't matter. oh well, we'll always have the off-the-bench penalty save.
The goal was definitely not great but he’s also way better at distribution. Honestly I felt like the goal was the kind you give up because your not sharp because you haven’t been playing.
Which is like a top two argument for Turner being the #1 over Steffen? 1.better shot stopper 2. actually plays It's not like it's coming as some surprise that Steffen hasn't been playing...
On for sure. Steffen desperately needs a move to somewhere where he’s playing every week. I bet Man City pays a lot though.
and I totally get that angle. I totally do. Bank account is important, and everyone has a price. Hes probably one of the most handsomly paid backups in the world. But there is also a price for that price, and we saw that today.
Democracy What kind of score does Steffen deserve on the goal he allowed?— HalfSpaces (@blharreld) October 14, 2021 Poor clearance + bad save attempt— Bob Morocco (@bob_morocco) October 14, 2021
Man this discussion is a minefield so let me just say that I can go either way on who is actually our #1, right now I probably lean Turner at a 65/35 split just based on his current run of familiarity and shot stopping. But man, I wish Steffen finds a way to play more. Because count me among the type of people who fall in love when a GK can distribute like that. Also one who is confident enough to come off his line and control his area like that. Being able to break lines or knowing how/when to quickly put the ball back in play can be such a huge boon. But he isn't playing enough and is too rusty for me to sit here and say I 100% think he deserves to start.
On replay, it looks like more of an awkward decision, and maybe a clever play by the CR forward, as opposed to being a major goalkeeping blunder. If I watch the angle from behind the goal (and pretend I don't know what's about to happen), it looks like Moya's going to redirect the ball toward the near post, until the moment that he lets it go by - at which point it's too late for the keeper to recover. Maybe Steffen could have positioned himself to be prepared for both the original ball and a possible shot by Moya, and maybe he would have done that if he'd been sharper - I dunno. But Fuller being left completely free to receive the cross seems like a bigger mistake than anything about the goalkeeping.
You guys really are pathetic. You clearly have no understanding of this game/position. There was nothing exponentially worse on the two plays you have pointed to from last night's game. Goalkeeping decisions shouldn't be made on a play or two and if they are as you suggest and the competition is over, Steffen played much better last night than Turner did on Sunday. Again, this is just pathetic.
After last night... 1. Matt Turner . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2. Zack Steffen 3. Sean Johnson or Brad Guzan
Man, I hope to have a fan someday as loyal to me as you are to Steffen... because that was an atrocious outing last night. If he was our number one keeper, he would be the worst number one keeper we’ve had since before I was born. This is the thing with Steffen. He’s mistake prone. He’s guaranteed to make a dumb mistake at least once a game. This isn’t his first dumb mistake either. If you’re a winger, you can afford to make a bonehead play. But keepers need to be rock solid. Last night just showed that I’m terrified if Steffen ever plays for the US in a meaningful game again. The ball rolled into the net... the ball wasn’t even hit with pace. It gingerly strolled right by him as he looked like a dummy just watching it go past him as though he forgot he could intercept it. I could put a 10 year old girl out there last night and she would have made that save. It was a bad goal. I’d say a career ending bad goal. Think of Loris Karius level bad. He deserves to be benched. And the only reason he should play again is if something happens to Matt Turner.
It seems sort of amusing that the goalkeeping thread attracts a plethora of posters who don't seem to understand the position.
Both guys have good moments and bad moments. Neither have won the #1 job outright. Its really 6 of one; half a dozen of the other for me. People can argue around in circles if they want, but I don't know how anybody can be really adamant about one over the other. Both, by the way, are good enough to navigate us thru WCQing.
What’s to understand? Keep the ball out of the damn net? Or, you charge outside your box - make sure you clear the ball and not make some stupid attempt at a highlight reel move?
This is so over the top that I dont know how to respond. It wasn't an atrocious outing. It wasn't a dumb mistake. You clearly don't understand what happened on the goal. He probably could have done better, but it wasn't really even a bad goal let alone all the nonsense you are suggesting. I still don't understand how people can be so outraged by Steffen's play after watching Turner on Sunday night.
Two games, two goalies, two soft goals. I've said it elsewhere but the fact is we are going to be weak in goal at Qatar no matter which we go with. Yes, Turner is a better shot stopper, but it's not so much his mediocre distribution that bothers me but his inability to control his box, which led to Panama pumping cross after cross within feet of the goal line and he finally failed to get one. But yeah, Steffan is way to prone to his mind wandering and just letting up at the critical moment, and his passing with his feet is poor as well, hits at least one or two out of bounds every game. On the plus for Steffan, he punched clear when Costa Rica put one right on top of him and surrounded him. It's a pick your poison situation and for me this is where a coach erns his money. Make a decision and stick with it. You can't swap on every mistake if both guys are prone to making them.