The non-meltdown thread

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by Dr. Gamera, Jun 14, 2011.

  1. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Indeed. In fact...........................two of the MLSers on this roster were likely taking the places of Reyna and Pulisic. Is Arriola on this roster if those guys are healthy? I don't see any evidence that would have been the case based on the past year. We know Zimmerman was called in to replace a Euro-based player.

    My not-so-conspiratorial theory is that Berhalter already realized he had a super, super young roster. As noted, one of the youngest in the world this window. Instead of bringing in even more young Euro-based guys like de la Fuente, he opted for some veterans instead. Guys who'd been thru the wars and he trusted. Unfortunately, it just didn't work. Can't argue with that point.
     
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  2. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #252 adam tash, Oct 13, 2021
    Last edited: Oct 13, 2021
    dude go back to aaron long, yueill, bradley trapp....look at his top 10 players in minutes played under his reign...it is top heavy with mLESSERS...which makes ZERO SENSE.

    there are 12(!) US players in the champions league this season!!!!!!

    lovitz has played more minutes under ggg than antonee robinson. LOVITZ!!!!!!!!!!!

    he played yueill for over 1000 minutes!

    aaron long has played twice as many minutes as any other center back for ggg.

    arriola has played more minutes for berhalter than any other usmnt player! he sux!!!!

    Arriola 1,704 Ream 1,681 Lletget 1,661 McKennie 1,608 Long 1,534 Zardes 1,361 Roldan 1,260 Pulisic 1,258 Acosta 1,220 Cannon 1,161 M.Robinson 1,077 Zimmerman 1,059 Yueill 925 Sargent 874

    personally I would never even callup arriola, lletget, long, yueill, roldan zardes and acosta at this point!! yet there they are leading the minutes leaderboard for the team.

    he is clueless.

    he doesnt get why the team was so flat vs panama lol

    its because his ranking of the player pool is gawdawful...and clearly biased for mls

    no matter what happens GGG will always find a way to get mucho MLSers on the field...and it is costing the team! big time.

    7 mlsers started vs panama! 7!!!!!! and zero shots on goal for the game! enough!!!!!!!!!!

    its either a "conspiracy" or he's an absolute moron. you pick.
     
  3. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    I think we have exhausted all the arguments. One contingent thinks that playing Arriola and Zardes and Lleget (over Konrad and Hoppe/Pefok/Sarge and DLT/Busio) in big matches makes sense for a variety of reasons. Others see those reasons as unpersuasive, and disagree. Some see logic in his substitution decisions, some do not. Some believe that we haven’t been consistently underachieving offensively under GB, and others think we have. Some believe experience is more important in WCQ than talent, and that we are basically meeting expectations, because WCQ is hard. Others disagree. Some think GB is held accountable by the USMNT press corps and USSF, and others don’t.

    I don’t think there is much left to say. We all understand that GB is the coach will remain there unless and until we fail to qualify. And hardly anyone here really believes that we won’t qualify, though some see it as a bigger risk than others. Those of us who see a big opportunity being squandered, regardless, will just have to watch it happen and be sad.
     
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  4. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I mean this is because we have more windows with MLS players and some of the MLS players are the only ones to have stuck around for the entirety of Berhalter's tenure. Whereas a number of our European players have only emerged in the last year and half or so. I'm pretty sure if you look at the minutes distribution since the start of 2020 it would look much different.

    And other than Pefok the only ones who were not called up this window were either hurt (Pulisic, Reyna, and Brooks), or doing terribly with their clubs (Owen Otasowie).

    When was the last time that Lovitz even got called up? And Robinson has been an automatic call-up and has firmly established himself as the first choice starter at left back.

    I mean 1) Yueill hasn't played since the group stage of the Gold Cup and 2) we are desperate for backup at the 6 and so he was trying to see if he could make that work. He clearly couldn't and Acosta is the backup for now.

    Aaron Long has played pretty well for the USMNT under Berhalter. But also had Brooks been more healthy over the last few years, he'd probably be leading in center back minutes. Brooks for instance missed the 2019 Gold Cup due to injury, along with a number of other games.

    Arriola is a role player for the US who was one of the few holdovers who have any experience when it comes to World Cup qualifying. He was very good against Jamaica and has a role to play with this team. The end product isn't there are often as it needs to be but he brings lots of useful qualities to the team.

    This is basically a list of players who were on the 2019 Gold Cup team and who have stuck around since then. Pulisic, Adams, Weah, and Brooks would probably be near the top of this list but have been injured often. Meanwhile you have players like Dest, Reyna, Pepi, Musah, Richards, Aaronson, etc who only emerged in the last year and a half and haven't been with the national team long enough to be on that list. But all have basically been auto-callups over the last year.

    I don't know why the team was flat but it has nothing to do with the number of MLS players on the field.

    There's also no evidence Berhalter is biased towards MLS. The last time he had a full strength roster and was limited to 23 players in the Nations League, only 4 of 23 players came from MLS.

    There's also no way Acosta isn't getting called up again as we literally have no other backup at the 6.

    Long it will depend on his injury recovery, but new options have also emerged as center back while he's been out.

    Zardes will be in competition with Sargent, Dike, and Pefok for a call up next window.

    Yueill is not getting called up again unless there are a ton of injuries or suspensions.

    Love them or hate them, I don't think Arriola, Lletget or Roldan are going anywhere.

    I mean the lineup against Panama was extremely similar to the lineup that started against Mexico and beat them in the Gold Cup final. Arriola, Acosta, Llelget, Zardes, Turner, and Bello all started that game. Moore and Roldan both came off the bench. Zimmerman, Aaronson, and Musah are upgrades over Sands, Hoppe, and Williamson. The only position where we were worse was McKenzie over Robinson.

    The problem wasn't the number of MLS players. It's that the team played poorly. The team on the field was good enough beat Panama and was more talented than Panama. But Panama outplayed them to their credit.
     
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  5. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    Great post.
     
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  6. RossD

    RossD Member+

    Aug 17, 2013
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    I completely disagree. Guys are not content to disagree with Berhalter's choices. They create conspiracy theories or some other ridiculous ideas to "prove" why they know better then Berhalter. The thinking is "Berhalter doesn't agree with me, and I am right. So therefore there must be some ulterior reason for why Berhalter picks the players I wouldn't. Beacause I know better then him."
    You disagree with him, I do too a lot of the time but I leave it at that, that I disagree. Stop with the nonsensical fantays conspiracy theories.

    I just quickly looked at the rosters of the 4 UEFA Nations League Semifinalists and most of the players are late 20-early 30s. It's not a coincidence that veteran laden teams got far in the tournament. These players have played with each other for years and are very familiar with each other. Our team is basically made up of a bunch of kids who barely know each other. These are facts. People may not like that but history shows expereince wins and we have very little of it on our roster.
    De Bruyne - 30, Lukaku - 28, Carrasco - 28 Vertonghen - 24. Alderweireld - 32
    Varane - 28, Hernandez -25, Pogba - 28, Griezman - 30, Mbappe - 22, Martial - 25,
    Chiellini -37, Acerbi -33, Bonucci - 34, Jorginho - 29, Barella - 24, Insigni - 30, Chiesa - 23
    Our team is made up of a bunch of kids. Kids who will make mistakes and are still learning how to play with each other. Most of you may not like this but that's the reality of the situation.

    Go ahead and set ridiculously high expectatoins but you're going to continously be let down.
     
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  7. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    I don’t know what “guys” you are referring to. I am not an MLS/SUM/USSF conspiracist. I do think GB’s hire had a nepotistic tinge to it, and seemed a bit narrow in its focus. But none of that has anything to do with the repeated and consistent offensive criticisms of his personnel decisions, which have often been prescient.
     
  8. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think Berhalter was hired by Earnie Stewart.
     
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  9. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    lol de bruyne and all those beglians beat the veteran laden USMNT when they were kids almost 8 years ago.....how do you explain that one?

    if youre good enough to win and play champs league..age isnt a factor! FULL STOP.

    the WC is historically a young mans game....there is a sweet spot...too old or too young and its a bit hard....older teams generally get crushed...but they get another chance if they had a good one previously....
     
  10. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Good lord.
     
  11. RossD

    RossD Member+

    Aug 17, 2013
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    That age isn’t a factor is your opinion. Where’s the facts to back this up? Scat group of rookies (which is what our team is) have ever won anything?
    We have some players who play Champions League. So what? Why does that mean they should run rampant over CONCACAF teams? Just because you want them to doesn’t mean squat. If you don’t have facts to back up your opinion then that’s all it is, your opinion. Big deal!
     
  12. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    how did a belgium full of young belgians - 8 years younger than they are now - beat a veteran older usmnt 2 wcs ago?
     
  13. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How did Germany win the World Cup with the second youngest squad (26.3) in the competition?

    Runners-up Argentina has the oldest squad in the competition (28.9).
     
  14. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    yeah...so like i was saying ...age isnt a factor
     
  15. GreedyG

    GreedyG Member

    Dec 9, 2020
    Fire Berhalter now!!!
     
  16. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think it's also worth noting that, because of travel restrictions forcing us to maintain a "Euro squad" and a "MLS squad," the Europe-based players and the MLS players haven't really had a lot of minutes together in the time since most of our best young players emerged.
     
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  17. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, it takes time to get used to playing with new teammates. It just does. Young players tend to be still developing their game and can be less predictable to their team mates. It is a process but every camp and game helps.
     
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  18. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Six points in six days.

    I'll take it.
     
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  19. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yup Richards and Robinson literally met for the first time ever this window.
     
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  20. EXALIFTIN

    EXALIFTIN Member+

    Nov 23, 2010
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I really wish I could subscribe to this thread but I really feel we will be going into the March window needing a result away at Mexico and or Costa Rica
     
  21. Crewmudgeon

    Crewmudgeon Member+

    Sep 3, 1999
    Crewdom
    The next window is only two matches. No need to rotate.

    Hopefully no more injuries and COVID positives, and this could be another 6 points.
     
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  22. FlapJack

    FlapJack Member+

    Mar 3, 2006
    Los Angeles
    That was just to throw you off and not reveal his secret agenda - ALL MLS WC ROSTER!
     
  23. Bluecat82

    Bluecat82 Member+

    Feb 24, 1999
    Minneapolis, MN
    Club:
    Minnesota United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    After watching the other matches so far this evening, does anybody seriously think we won't get nine points out of home matches with Panama, Honduras (who are likely firing their coach as we speak), and El Salvador?

    Pick up another 3 points along the way, and I think 23 will be enough.
     
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  24. EXALIFTIN

    EXALIFTIN Member+

    Nov 23, 2010
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What do you think is more likely, slipping up at home or picking up points on the road? If Keylar Navas doesn't get injured in the first half, we are talking about 1 point tonight
     
  25. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I guess the thing about Canada is that the same players have played together consistently due to limited squad size and injuries. Maybe Coach B should have worried less about fatigue and made fewer changes to the starting lineup.
     

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