Post-match: USA Vs Panama 10/10/21

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by EXALIFTIN, Oct 10, 2021.

  1. Gacm32

    Gacm32 Member+

    Chelsea
    Switzerland
    Nov 28, 2010
    Geneva
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    I play with lads on Sunday’s who would’ve done better with the opportunity to get that much space in the center of the pitch. That’s a basic play, looks like he’s scared shitless.
     
  2. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #802 xbhaskarx, Oct 11, 2021
    Last edited: Oct 11, 2021
    The fullbacks were "always going to be a drop-off"? Weren't you one of the people defending Gregg's decision to call in Shaq Moore who doesn't even play in the Spanish second division, over Joe Scally, because Moore played well at the Gold Cup months ago? Sometime between then and now, you have decided to accept that his level is not good enough, based on what exactly if not hindsight bias? Certainly not based on how he's been playing, as he doesn't actually do that!
     
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  3. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To answer your question: Paul Arriola, a defensive winger who is basically a zero in terms of being a threat to score goals, essentially plays every minute for Gregg Berhalter when he is actually healthy!



    Edit: our starting winger Arriola:

     
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  4. Marius Tresor

    Marius Tresor Member+

    Aug 1, 2014
    That list is pretty shocking, considering the player pool.
     
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  5. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    No, Lletget was just ----, like he's been most of 2021. Negative, safe to the point that it's actually harmful, just utter ---- performance like almost everyone, but even worse because he was supposed to be the calming presence that could provide some possession, and some forward momentum, and instead, he was horrific, sponge bob back pass (to tweak an old Claudio reference).
     
  6. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    bradley was pretty decent for a while, but then scored that olympico and literally spent the rest of his career trying to do it again
     
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  7. theboogeyman

    theboogeyman Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    That’s a misleading and pointless stat. Do you really think Arriola starts if cp, Reyna, and Aaronson are healthy?
     
  8. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    Feels like it's like a 2021 version of the old Simpson's soccer clip. So ----ing moronic it beggars belief.
     
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  9. munovalente

    munovalente Member

    Los Angeles Galaxy
    United States
    Mar 29, 2021
    Weston would probably be first if he didn't get suspended for being an immature idiot.
     
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  10. El Stikero

    El Stikero Member

    None
    United States
    Jun 10, 2021
    Where is this misdirection narrative coming from that for those of us who wanted less of a rotation means that we did not want any rotation? Rotation does not mean 7 field players being rotated in. It's not 7 or nothing. Or that starting Adams and Pepi and Aaronson again means running them a full 90-plus minutes.

    Good grief the mental gymnastics here to try and defend what happened yesterday from a coaching standpoint. It's amazing how hard it is to just say that Berhalter screwed the pooch yesterday. There are no yeah buts here. It was a disaster and he was responsible for setting the table.
     
  11. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Aaronson is healthy RIGHT NOW, and Arriola started alongside him in the first game. Arriola played the full 90. Gregg pulled Aaronson after 68 minutes, presumably to rest him for the next game. And then in the second game, Arriola started and Aaronson did not, despite being healthy and having been rested. Oh and Aaronson didn't start despite having a goal, a goal, and an assist, over his previous three games. Meanwhile, Arriola almost never provides goals or assists, he is essentially a defensive winger who can only score against minnows, if at all.

    How are you seriously asking that question as if we don't have an example over literally the last two games??
     
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  12. Reccossu

    Reccossu Member+

    Jan 31, 2005
    Birmingham
    Thanks.

    I hope it’s more of a priority to Gregg.
     
  13. MuchoTakeItEasy

    MuchoTakeItEasy Member+

    LAFC
    United States
    May 16, 2015
    Land of the Free
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not saying he was good. Everyone was terrible sams Zimmerman. It's an open question whether it was his direction or instinct to recycle. If it was the gameplan for him to pass it back...and it becomes clear the gameplan is not working...its on the coach and players on the field to figure out how to adjust, and that just never happened. I think writing is on the wall for Gregg's guys after this one, there's little to suggest the players on the bench could be worse than Lletget last night.
     
  14. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In fact though La Liga tried to deny call ups and was forced to back down because they couldn’t back it up.

    The only place where any call ups were denied was in the UK, because of the red list issues. There’s been no other instance of clubs from other countries using COVID restrictions to try and deny releases. And the UK situation did put clubs in a bad place as if they did release players those players would have missed multiple club games after the window. But FIFA and the UK worked out a resolution and there’s been no restrictions on call up this window.

    Antonio didn’t go because there were issues with him taking his own physiotherapist with him. Not because West Ham stopped him from going.

    I mean I’m sure we’re in touch with the clubs in regards to the fitness levels of the players, because we don’t want to run them into the ground and it’s in no one interest if they get injured due to overuse. And more broadly it’s in no ones interest in having antagonistic relationship with the clubs. But it’s absolutely not true that the clubs imposed restrictions in terms of being to play players a set amount of minutes or asked that they didn’t play in Panama.

    And honestly all you got to do is go look at the usage of European based players in South American qualifiers. No one is being held back because of club restrictions. Or look at Canada, they just started Davies and David for their first two games and presumably will start them again for game 3.
     
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  15. MuchoTakeItEasy

    MuchoTakeItEasy Member+

    LAFC
    United States
    May 16, 2015
    Land of the Free
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You think Arriola starts if all three of Reyna, Pulisic, Aaronson are healthy at the same time?
     
  16. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    TBF, because of his injury issues the last 3 months, Arriola is only 17th during the COVID era (Pulisic is 18th). But there are some names that people don't like in this Top 15.

    Sebastian Lletget
    Kellyn Acosta
    Matt Turner
    Miles Robinson
    Sergino Dest
    Brendon Aaronson
    Weston McKennie
    Mark McKenzie
    Antonee Robinson
    Giovanni Reyna
    Tyler Adams
    John Brooks
    James Sands
    Sam Vines
    Zack Steffen
     
  17. theboogeyman

    theboogeyman Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    I was upset as anybody about Berhalter’s lineup choice yesterday, but it’s beyond intellectually dishonest to use that as evidence that he started Arriola over Aaronson. I’ll gladly bet you 100 dollars that barring an unknown injury to Aaronson that prevents him from starting against Costa Rica, he finishes this window with more minutes than Arriola.

    and you didn’t answer my question. Do you really think he starts over cp, Reyna, and Aaronson if they’re all healthy?
     
  18. theboogeyman

    theboogeyman Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    That’s what I was obviously asking, and he didn’t answer because he has an agenda to push.
     
  19. no exit

    no exit Member+

    DC United
    United States
    Nov 20, 2019
    I think Lletget becomes a safe/negative player when he's working against the tide of the play. He's a more useful circulatory player when he's being asked to play, effectively, rhythm guitar to other people's lead.

    But that reveals the weakness of Gregg's lineup last night. If you go to the Jamaica lineup and ask yourself the hypothetical: "The U.S. won. Who had the match-winning performance?" You'd be able to come up with a big number of players, easy. In such an environment a guy like Lletget or Arriola can thrive and be a useful complement.

    On the other hand, take the Panama lineup and do the same hypothetical. Who's the match-winner? I asked myself the question before the match and was really struggling before I came up with "Matt Turner."
     
  20. Master O

    Master O Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  21. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I just posted the numbers, Arriola is #1 in the entire player pool during Gregg’s tenure, despite missing a year with a torn ACL and despite missing the Gold Cup with a bad hammy. Facts.
     
  22. no exit

    no exit Member+

    DC United
    United States
    Nov 20, 2019
    I think that's not an especially convincing riposte though. Sure, in an ideal world Arriola wouldn't play. But as the world keeps on demonstrating, whether in soccer or not, you don't live in the ideal world -- and you have a responsibility to act in the actual world. And in the actual world, Berhalter chooses to give Arriola the bulk of the minutes. I'm someone who likes Arriola for both DC United and the USMNT. But, importantly, he shouldn't be given the responsibility of carrying the team.

    The devotion of minutes from Berhalter suggests something strange in that direction. If Arriola wasn't meant to be a primary creator last night, who was? Was Tim Weah supposed to be the alpha and omega? That's what made it a badly misconceived lineup, even granting the premise that rotation was necessary and desirable.
     
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  23. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is almost an impressive defense of Gregg and US Soccer… like something out of the Klinsmann era, it takes some real balls to push this lol



    Not losing in embarrassing fashion (0 shots on goal) to a mediocre team full of 2016-18 Quakes that the US has NEVER lost to before in World Cup qualifying = "perfection"

    Truly an impossible standard!!
     
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  24. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Would you like to acknowledge the fact that the bulk of the European-based contingent have frequently not been available for selection?
     
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  25. Calling BS

    Calling BS Member+

    Orlando City
    United States
    Jan 25, 2020
    Congrats on the huge result. I said from the beginning of qualifying that you guys were the dangerous side that everyone was sleeping on. I love the transformation I’ve seen over this year, starting with the qualifying rounds to get into the gold cup to now. Good luck from here on out.
     
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