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Discussion in 'USA Men' started by GiallorossiYank, Feb 9, 2017.

  1. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    pulisic is made of a very cheap glass at that.
     
  2. Mahtzo1

    Mahtzo1 Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    So Cal
    Of course Eddie Johnson started off like wildfire......

    He had 8 goals in his first 9 appearances. but only 11 more the rest of his USMNT career. (63 games total)
     
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  3. FASTEDDIE

    FASTEDDIE Member

    Jun 16, 2005
    Thornton
    Klinsman first liked and then later disliked Landon Donovan because the drinking fountain pic was stuck in his head.
     
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  4. juveeer

    juveeer Member+

    Aug 3, 2006
    Kilnnsman didn't take Landon because he wasn't going to start him and he did not want to deal with the distractions of Landon on the bench.
     
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  5. Magic Sponge

    Magic Sponge Member

    May 13, 2000
    Nashville, TN USA
    Brad Davis was not really a problem in the first half versus Germany. The problem was that our opponent was, uh, really really good
     
  6. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

    Real Madrid, DC United, anywhere Pulisic plays
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is one of the best posts in BS history.
     
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  7. Crewmudgeon

    Crewmudgeon Member+

    Sep 3, 1999
    Crewdom
    That should have been the statue the Galaxy unveiled last week.
     
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  8. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    Exactly 4 years later to the day after the disaster in Trinidad & Tobago, I think the US would have been strong enough to pick up 4-5 points during the group stage in Russia in 2018.
     
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  9. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Nah.
    Would have probably been in Panama's Group and come out with maybe 3 points at best.
     
  10. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    #1385 schrutebuck, Oct 10, 2021
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2021
    The draws would have been different. I don't remember the precise US FIFA ranking in late 2017, but it should have been high enough to get Pot 2 or Pot 3.

    I am making some assumptions here - (1) I'm assuming that Arena would phase out certain personnel after qualifying, (2) I'm assuming the least change to what actually happened as possible - so I have the US grinding out a garbage goal in T&T to make it 2-2, and (3) player national team choices stay the same as in real life.

    For me, the two most pressing problems in World Cup qualifying were clearly the center backs and goalkeeper. A shocking number of goals came from center back breakdowns during qualifying, and there wasn't a match where the goalkeeper saved points for the US (other than maybe Guzan in Honduras). If Arena decided to roll out the trio of Howard, Cameron, and Gonzalez in Russia, then the team might be in serious trouble.

    I don't see central midfield being a problem. I see both Tyler Adams and Weston McKennie making the team, with one of them likely starting.

    If Arena resolves the two biggest problems (CBs and GK), then the last big concern IMO is to figure out how to provide some attacking firepower alongside Pulisic. The team scored a ton of goals in qualifying, but I don't know if there was enough firepower for a World Cup group stage. The 2nd winger spot is wide open unless Arena permanently shifts to a 3-man backline - Arriola or Fabian Johnson are likely the men on the spot. I'll note that Jordan Morris tore an ACL in February 2018 in real life, which would be a serious blow.
     
  11. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Good point about the pots but still. Let's say pot 3 instead of Costa Rica.
    Brasil? Loss. Swiss who tied Brasil? probably a loss. Serbia? Maybe a draw.
     
  12. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    #1387 schrutebuck, Oct 10, 2021
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2021
    Tough to speculate on the exact draw. The US was 27th in the October 2017 rankings, so a draw or win against T&T likely places them in Pot 3, with Iran bumped down to Pot 4.

    Because I'm bored this morning, I did do my part in putting together an Arena-style 23 man squad for the World Cup:

    Guzan, Howard, Steffen
    Brooks, Miazga, Besler, Ream
    Yedlin, Villafana, Beasley
    Bradley, McKennie, Acosta, McCarty, Adams
    Pulisic, Nagbe, Fabian Johnson, Arriola
    Altidore, Wood, Dempsey, Zardes

    1. The squad age actually isn't terrible - 27.2. Since there are talented youngsters, Arena will keep some of the old dudes that he likes.
    2. There's no way that McKennie doesn't make the team after a full season with Schalke - same with Adams at New York. They both likely provide cover all over the field.
    3. If Zardes storms out of the gate in March 2018 like he did with Berhalter in Columbus, then he jumps right back into the squad.

    The winger/AM options are still the biggest question mark. Arriola provides the work rate but not the goals and assists, Nagbe helps others provide the goals and assists, Fabian Johnson started to tail off in 2017/18, and I see 35-year-old Dempsey only being useful further forward. And of course, Morris is injured.

    Ultimately, I feel like Arena would stick with the same type of tactical approaches that he took in qualifying.
     
  13. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    usmnt fans are the worst

    spend so much time debating things they dont understand and come up with crazy player lists and magic saviors all the time, on top of that have crazy ideas and sometimes the coach does that and then they get amnesia that they were all for that.
     
  14. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    Amen. 95% of the board doesn’t seem to realize we will qualify and GB will be our coach in the World Cup. They seem to hate the coach more than they like the team or our players because it embarrasses them that we don’t have Pep (who screwed up the CL final) coaching us.

    When we win, it’s in spite of the coach, when we lose, it’s 100% his fault. You don’t have to be a fan of the coach to be realistic about his strengths and weaknesses, and those of our players.
     
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  15. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006

    my friend (who refuses to post on the board) mentioned pep and the cl final and how pep overthought the final and changed his lineup too much and it probably cost then the cl final.

    in some fans defense gb should learn from pep the us needs to start their best players and use the five subs to rest those players when they get a chance. not start the backups and assume the first choice guys can come in at the 60th minute and rescue the match if they are needed(which they have been each time he's tried this strategy)
     
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  16. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I was completely for heavy rotation and focusing on the Costa Rica game.

    And in reality, we played like absolute dogshit, and should have played better. And even then, it required what was basically an own goal and a dumbass breakdown to give up a goal and we would have gotten the point.

    Which is not to say we played well; we played like trash. It's also not to say that was a great lineup -- it wasn't and there were probably some changed to be made even in a "b" lineup.

    But I absolutely wanted to play our A team in the home games, so I'm reaping what I sowed, so to speak.
     
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  17. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    You're telling me we wouldn't have won 4-0 with Hoppe in there? :eek:
     
  18. owian

    owian Member+

    Liverpool FC, San Diego Loyal
    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Group stages are such crapshoots. Think it would have been the same as every World Cup; get a bit of luck, a striker with confidence, and maybe officials not giving phantom pens against us then we advance. Pretty much every US group since 1994 has come down to a moment or two, sometimes not even in a US match. '18 wouldn't have been any different.
     
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  19. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    Pulisic will play in less then 6 matches in WCQ the entire cycle.
     
  20. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "US soccer is a sport for middle-class white kids"

    8 black players starting for the USMNT tonight.
     
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  21. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The real reason Martino would never come near this team.

    I know, I know I'll let it go...
     
  22. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    5 biracial players.

    Only 2 white players.
     
  23. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Shhh.
     
  24. bnjamin10

    bnjamin10 Member

    Charlotte FC
    Jun 4, 2009
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    3 points off Tunisia and 1 point from England/Belgium isn't that crazy. Safe to say it would have been better than -9 goal differential, (Tied Belgium in regulation in 2014 and England in 2010.)

    The U.S. dominated Panama/Honduras in qualifying. It was Mexico/Costa Rica that kept the U.S. out.
     
  25. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Farewell Sweet Prince
    Jan 9, 2004
    Gentrification's Apex.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Still a middle class suburban sport. It's just that the US pro ranks are reflecting the increasing diversity of American suburbs.
     

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