Do Galaxy alum hold record in road WCQ header own goals? Omar in game that knocked us out of last WC, Zardes today.
Never thought I’d say 7 min of stoppage time was criminally short. Of course it could have been 20, probably wasn’t going to make a difference.
I found play continuing with fans running around on the field kicking around extra balls to be particularly amusing. It gave the game a nice “Concacaf” touch.
Terribly game, we can't pass worth a lick, and our defense was disjointed. Panama put on a bit of pressure and we folded time and again. I'm sure this was the "second" team and Berhalter will be starting his A team against Costa Rica, but still. Lletget had some good moments, especially in combo with Aaronson. Gyasi basically scored an own goal for the 1-0 Panama win and it was sad.
Well, that was the frustrating side of this current USMNT. There’s isn’t much to say about that game other than I hope we can recover and beat CR at home.
Why does this team give me anxiety? Whyyyyyy???????? Terrible. Now three points needed to dig out of a major hole. The ref blowing the whistle at 7 amidst extra balls, pitch invaders and “injuries” made me laugh. Because of course he did. In particular after he held the ball for a good chunk of the 7 minutes waiting for the pitch invaders to leave. Wouldn’t have mattered since the US absolutely didn’t deserve to get a point. But it figured. It’s the CONCACAF way.
I think we qualify. This team is not totally in control but I don't see the Nats tanking the qualies and pulling a Galaxy move with 9 matches without a win. We won't qualify as Conca leader but we will go to Qatar. At this point, I will take that. The real, young team, will play at home vs CR. Not the one with some of the old guard in it. Lets save those older guys for El Salvador. So we should have 3 points coming up. Costa Rica seems wobbly. Were losing vs ES and came back to win but something is not right there. MLS.com is openly calling out the old guys in the team. I can't blame them. https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/posi...loss-at-panama-and-what-to-expect-vs-costa-ri
I normally like Doyle's analysis, but to me this seemed to be picking and choosing data points to call out the veterans. For instance, Musah was just as guilty of turning over the ball in the first half as Acosta, in my viewing. I think the play was disjointed, and we could have several good passes, but then all undone by one badly directed one, or a bad touch. I agree that the energy didn't seem to be there to overcome - something that Arriola helped us with in the first game with his visible and relentless work rate. As for Lletget, he's not himself this year, and I don't know what exactly is the difference. Could be he's slower, could be a mentally not aggressive enough. He is best in combinations, and for awhile Aaronson was the person that Lletget could play off of, but the goal deflated everyone, and the US couldn't get back in the game. It would be good to move on! I hope we have a better result against Costa Rica to talk about tonight.
Lleget lost his sister and hasn’t taken any time off to process or grieve. He wasn’t having a good season before, but I feel he has taken a massive dip in form since then. As bad as he was Sunday, he’s been a serviceable player for the Nats. He doesn’t deserve the disrespect. I love the USMNT, but reading the opinions of some of the fan base is tough. Some of the worst “fans” around.
As much as I bash Lletget's play for the Galaxy, I thought he has played well for the National team until the Panama game. Did anyone besides myself think that Seb played great defense for the Nats in this game, getting deep in the US 18 and covering runners (something he doesn't do for the Galaxy)? Perhaps his offensive, link-up play difficulties this game were because he was given a different set of priorities.
We are holding on with a great shot by Dest. The youth and stamina of this team should get us over the hump second half. It feels like they are dialing it in and Pepi will sign off on it soon enough.
I'm sure I'm out of the loop on the rules, but that is not an own goal. Geez, Weah put some sting on it and the goalkeeper couldn't handle it.
Did anyone else notice that Busio was wearing #17 which has historically been Lletget's number for both club and country. I didn't think that players shared numbers while on the squad.
This. The commentators blithely going along with that ruling really bothered me. The ruling was unfair to both the keeper and Weah. When someone blasts a shot at 60mph from 15 feet and the ball hits inside the post and then bounces off the keepers backside that goal is 99% created by the shooter. Yes you *might* criticize the keepers positioning (never want to get beaten on inside post) but that has nothing to do with who gets credit. If less-than-ideal gk positioning were a factor then probably 20% of goals in soccer would be “own goals.”
I agree that without Weah making that run in and blasting a shot there is no goal, own or otherwise. It is what it is. Just glad they got the three points. Next games are against Mexico in Cincy which is a must watch on 11/12 and another vs Jamaica in Kingston 11/16. Only two matches on that break then it's on to early 2022. Funny about Lletget's number being worn by Busio. I've never seen numbers being shared. You know Seba wasn't even warming the bench that match. Things that make you go hhhmmmm...
Ha, your stuck on the # issue and Im stuck on the own goal issue. We can just reply to each other and restate our different causes. In that spirit - own goals should be reserved for players doing something dumb that causes the ball to go into your goal. Point blank 60 mph ricochets just don't fall in that category.
I thought this was an official rule, but I guess it's just my own personal rule of thumb, but I always considered it an own goal if there would be no goal without a redirection from a defender. This is tricky in the case of goalkeepers, but an error on a shot wouldn't be considered an own goal unless the shot wasn't going to go in anyway, nor would a shot deflected off the keeper it it was already on its way in. By this standard, it is arguably an own goal. Weah's shot hits the post, bounces off the keeper's back, and into the goal. It's technically not even a SOG, as had the keeper not been there, the ball would've struck the post and ricocheted away from goal.
Yes, based on the rules it was an own-goal, but I think this was one where the letter of the law wasn't really inline with the spirit of the law.
Forgot to mention this small thing, but the Dest goal is one of the best I've seen for the NT. In slowmo you can see it curl away from the keeper. Very nice goal.
Exactly. tldr vers; "Own goal" is not defined by the Laws of the Game. Instead referees are given guidelines to consider before making a ruling. The guidelines are sometimes ambiguous and may point in different directions and as a result refs often disagree with each other about proper rulings. However under current practice the shot initially being "on target" is given more weight than the "deliberate intervention" criterion. This practice unfairly denies forwards credit for creating ricochet goals even if the goals are the direct result of the forwards skill and power. It also unfairly punishes defenders and gk's for being unlucky enough to get struck in the wrong spot by a close range rocket. Long form version; "Own goal" definitions are not in the the standard laws of the game. Instead referees use various "guidelines" to help them decide. Also the PL has a 3 Person Goal Accreditation Committee but UEFA and most leagues have no standard practice. In fact in most leagues are no official rules exist to determine who is the actual goalscorer! Deflected shots are the most controversial. Here is what I found at footballhandbook.com about "own goal" criteria for such shots: " If the shot was already on target, but it hits a player from the opposing team and goes in, it may be considered to be a deflected shot. If there was a deliberate intervention by the defending player that leads to a goal, it will be awarded as an own goal to the defender. There are no official rules to define a deflection or an own goal. Some competitions have a panel to determine who gets credited with the goal." These guidelines are problematic. For example they suggest Weah's shot should be classified as an own goal because it wasn't on target when launched. But they also say an own goal requires "deliberate intervention" by the defender, which suggest Weah's shot should not be classed as an own goal. In my head "deliberate intervention gone astray" should be the essence of an own goal. It means a defending player actually did something that caused the ball to go into his own net. Zardes jumping up and heading the ball into our own net is a great example of a deliberate intervention going astray. But I don't find "gk getting struck by an inside post deflection" to be a deliberate intervention. But we aren't the only ones to argue this. Apparently referees disagree among themselves. Check out 0:25 on this video: The player posted to Instagram celebrating his goal and then there were online arguments about it. Even referees disagreed with each other. But whoscored counted it as an own goal, just like Weah's shot. And I think that is the common practice now. My philosophical problem with this practices is the following: Forwards who have great technique and are able to get off quick, hard shots in the box make defenders and gk's life hell. They don't have time to react so balls often get deflected off them into the net. So those goals are often scored precisely because of what the forward did - he/she hit it too hard for anyone to properly react. Also those defenders often did nothing wrong - they were just victims of limits on human reaction time. For these reasons forwards who have the aggressiveness and skills to blast the ball into the mixer from close range and then benefit from a ricochet should get credit for any goals scored. And credit is important - their whole pay structure and career trajectory is determined by "goals scored" stats. Likewise defenders who get hit in precisely the wrong spot by an 80mph ball shot taken from 2 feet away shouldn't be punished for their bad luck. really tldr vers: Give Weah his damn goal!