Pre-match: USA v Panama WCQ 10/10/21

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  1. EXALIFTIN

    EXALIFTIN Member+

    Nov 23, 2010
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  2. Peretz48

    Peretz48 Member+

    Nov 9, 2003
    Los Angeles
    McKennie experienced soreness is his right quad, but MRI was negative- per Sciaretta
     
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  3. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    Interesting. On paper, the England-based players should be fine for Panama.

    I don't see a point in criticizing any of these 3 players for being the one who is actually ineligible to travel, since that player is in the process of getting his vaccinations done now. But based on Berhalter's comments, it has to be one of this trio.
     
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  4. papermache16

    papermache16 Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just let me know when you find out exactly who. I'll be sharpening my pitchfork.

    Anyway, I wonder if Dest gets the start if he's feeling better and if he goes on the left, or if Bello goes on the left. In any case I think Yedlin starts.

    The thought of Musah and de La Torre together is intriguing, but I think Lletget gets in there at the expense of one of them.
     
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  5. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    God, I hope you're right. Dest hasn't done as well traveling in CCAF & playing defense outside of recovery runs.

    Same thing goes for this prediction. Musah and De La Torre are pretty redundant and untested in that situation. Lletget provides more killer balls & scoring if he can be camped up higher because of the aid of 1 (not both) of those players.
     
  6. nycfc919

    nycfc919 Member+

    Aug 17, 2015
    I would rather play Dest (assuming health) at LB in Panama over Bello with Yedlin at RB. Not particularly close for me on that front either.
     
  7. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "We have everyone except one player that's fully vaccinated, another player has one of his two shots."



    "Antonee Robinson and Zack Steffen (quarantine restrictions)... will not travel to Panama"



    So which one has only taken the first shot and which one isn't vaccinated at all? :coffee:
    Or is it McKennie and they're covering for him? :cautious:
     
  8. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Especially relative to opponent, Bello played better at Honduras than Dest at El Salvador. You'd blunt Dest's effectiveness some because he won't be high up the pitch this match to use his right effectively on the cut-in. While you might lose him for the possession game at home. So I respectfully disagree.
     
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  9. nycfc919

    nycfc919 Member+

    Aug 17, 2015
    I agree that Dest was poor against ES. I’m just not willing to close the book on him on the road for Bello, he’s too talented and the sample size is too small for me. But I can see why someone would look at the ES game and come to your conclusion — so cheers. I also think he was coming into the game against Honduras when he unfortunately got hurt.
     
  10. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    GK Turner (Johnson) DNP
    RB Yedlin (Moore) DNP
    CB Miles (Richards) DNP
    CB Zimmerman (Richards) DNP
    LB Bello (Acosta) DNP
    DM Adams (Acosta) DNP
    MF Musah (Roldan) 60
    MF Lletget (De la Torre) 70
    RW Arriola (Weah) 60
    LW Aaronson (Hoppe) 70
    FW Pepi (Zardes) 70

    Steffen, A. Robinson, McKennie - Out
    Dest - Rested
    McKenzie, Ream, Busio - not used
     
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  11. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    If I had to take a shot in the dark, I'd say you just hit the bullseye.
     
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  12. Bajoro

    Bajoro Member+

    Sep 10, 2000
    The Inland Empire
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ussoccer.com, on the "match hub" for an upcoming match, shows which networks will be carrying the game live.

    Paramount + or Universo for the Panama match
     
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  13. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Updated:

    --------------------Turner----------------
    Yedlin---Zimmerman---Robinson---Dest
    --------------------Adams-----------------
    -----------Acosta--------Lletget-----------
    Arriola-----------Pepi----------Aaronson

    Mudders: Acosta, McKennie, Arriola, Zardes.

    Fine with resting Dest or Adams if we want to. Though having Wes & Adams on yellows for CR makes me nervous for Mexico. If either sits, Acosta could be the replacement. Surely as the #6, possible at LB. Little nervous on Bello, but I'd prefer that to Acosta or a 3 back or Richards.

    Feel pretty confident in our reserve attackers (Weah, Zardes, Hoppe) if 3G decides to rest Aaronson, Arriola, or Pepi.

    What he does in CM is the biggest question.
     
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  14. YNWA Rob

    YNWA Rob Member+

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Nov 12, 2020
    Indiana
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would seriously consider starting with:
    Turner
    Moore or Yedlin, Richards, McKenzie, Bello
    Acosta, De La Torre, Busio or Lletget 3 of those 4)
    Hoppe, Zardes, Weah.

    10 changes to the outfield gives you your freshest team possible, and allows you to replicate the Jamaica lineup vs. Costa Rica (with those players also being fresher).

    I think this team could get a result at Panama. I don't expect that lineup but I would seriously consider it.
     
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  15. ebado

    ebado Member

    May 2, 2008
    I'd be surprised if Arriola started again after an exhausting 90 minutes.I think that was probably illustrative of how the wingers will work this window.

    My assumed plan has been that it's Aaronson for 60-70 from the start every game with a mix on the other side, but after last night I wonder if that's possible for Aaronson. Could be, just seemed like an intense shift and wonder if the expectation is to replicate that three times in 10 days after all the minutes he's accrued with Salzburg in the past few weeks.

    I'm guessing Weah and Aaronson, but if Brendan can't go or the plan isn't for him to go I think it's up in the air. I would lean heavily Hoppe there as the only completely fresh winger (more than fresh really, would be 18 days since he's played), and I think he has the personality to be fine getting his WCQ debut as a starter on the road.

    Most interested to see FBs, TBH. Like many I think Scally probably should have been in this camp, even if the intention was more to get him involved with the group. Dest could be rested or maybe not ready to go. Robinson is in Ohio. Not super comfortable with what's left if those three are the only available.
     
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  16. FC Tallavana

    FC Tallavana Member+

    Jul 1, 2004
    La Quinta
    If I'm ARob and I had to have a heart procedure to keep playing soccer a few years ago I would be hesitant to get a second MRNA vaccine. No idea if that has factored into him not being fully vaccinated though.
     
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  17. Maximum Optimal

    Maximum Optimal Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    #42 Maximum Optimal, Oct 8, 2021
    Last edited: Oct 8, 2021
    I expect a fair amount of rotation.

    Pepi will probably start given he just scored two goals and was taken out early presumably with the idea of saving him for Panama. Plus I think there is a little bit of a sentimental idea that Zardes will get the start in Columbus.

    Wide attacking players, I think Hoppe and Weah start. Then we go back to Aaronson and Arriola against Costa Rica.

    Midfield is a bit complicated with McKennie being out. I'm reluctant to go with two smaller less athletic mids. But Musah is just now rounding into shape after recovering from an injury. I'm rather not push it with him and would wait until Costa Rica to give him his next start. This means two of de la Torre, Busio and Lletget start along with Adams. I'd go with de la Torre and Busio. Roldan is also an option, but his role seems have evolved a bit to high energy, late game sub as a wide player.

    I think Yedlin and Dest will be the fullbacks, assuming Dest is healthy. I think the plan all along has been to start Dest and Antonee Robinson in two of the three games.

    Some rotation is also likely at center back. I think it will be Zimmerman and McKenzie against Panama and Richards and Robinson against Costa Rica.
     
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  18. Master O

    Master O Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is Panama going to bunker or they are actually going to play open?
     
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  19. Yowza

    Yowza Member+

    DC United
    United States
    Oct 23, 2019
    Arlington
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gotta start Hoppe and Weah. I'd start Hoppe up top but I'm sure Zardes will start and that's fine. But Hoppe and Weah have serious wheels and will give Panama fits.
    If Dest is fit, he starts. He's a dream player in Berhalter's system, someone who can get to the touchline any time but isn't predictable. Always a threat to be fouled in good spots.
    Acosta is going to play somewhere this game. Probably in Musah's spot, while Adams starts again.
    My surprise selection is DLT getting the start ahead of Lletget. It's a good spot for him with two more defensive guys with him. It's also a bad spot for him b/c it's qualifying in Panama and he could be overwhelmed. I'm okay finding out, there's always Lletget waiting in the wings.
    The US wings are going to prove too much for Panama, that's my feeling. If the US plays a simple game of dump and chase, they will pound Panama to dust by the end of the match.
    3-1 US, goals Hoppe, Weah, Hoppe all within 60'.
     
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  20. Yowza

    Yowza Member+

    DC United
    United States
    Oct 23, 2019
    Arlington
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They'll most likely outpossess the US. They will probably bunker eventually if they have a lead, though.
     
  21. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    well, i guess ill have to revisit my lineup posted earlier...

    is the fact that moore has played on the left with club quite a bit worth discussion?
     
  22. munovalente

    munovalente Member

    Los Angeles Galaxy
    United States
    Mar 29, 2021
    I think the five subs made last game were partially to limit wear on some guys so they could go again. McKennie and Antonee played full 90, so I'm not surprised they are skipping.

    Miles played the full 270 minutes last time around so we might see less rotation with cbs. Not sure.

    I expected we will see Yedlin for Antonee, Lletget or Acosta for Westin, maybe one CB rotated and maybe Arriola rotated, but otherwise a lot of the same guys.
     
  23. Marius Tresor

    Marius Tresor Member+

    Aug 1, 2014
    #48 Marius Tresor, Oct 8, 2021
    Last edited: Oct 8, 2021
    Weah needs to start. Arriola needs to sit.

    You can't sit Musah. The man totally dominated in the midfield attack with his change of pace, strength, and control, to the point that McKennie could lay back a bit, where he is better anyway. You gotta get as many minutes as you can out of the Adams-McKennie-Musah midfield because any other combination is infinitely inferior.

    Edit: Just saw that McKennie is out. Cr@p. Even more reason for Musah to start.
     
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  24. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    yeah, we gotta start Moose boys.

    Very curious about the lineup. Do we rest Pepi? Aaronson? Arriola? Im fine with Bello at left back. Gotta do the Zimminson pairing in the back.
     
  25. glutton4Bolts

    glutton4Bolts Member+

    United States
    Mar 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Considering the news on who will not be there.... My updates are limited... Wes out and Busio in. I think having the speed of Weah and Bello on the left will help offset Busio's relative lack of pace... And he could provide just the kind of pass we need to break the lines. Again... I play Dest over Yedlin if he is ready to go. Dest was great in the last game.

    Weah ---- Pepi ---- Aaronson -
    Busio --- Acosta --- Musah
    Bello - Richards - Robinson - Yedlin
    ------------------- Turner ------------------
     
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