ESPANYOL vs REAL MADRID | La Liga Jornada #8 | 03.10.21 | 16:15 CET

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  1. Real__Madrid

    Real__Madrid Member+

    Aug 29, 2014
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Typical Ancelotti team, starts the season with a bang and then shows true self. Don't forget what people were expecting of Everton + James + Ancelotti combo last season.

    He is past it, just like Mourinho is also past it. The guy is still experimenting different positions for like 3-4 players every single game. Some of his changes are also questionable. Having four midfielders on the pitch and the ones who are meant to cover the middle are a 36 year old and someone just back from injury is just plain stupid.

    Also with that shit first half, your only change is 1 player? Should've gone to a 4-2-3-1 with Cama/Fede in the middle and an attack of Vini, Rodrygo, Hazard and Benzema
     
  2. Knedalah

    Knedalah Member

    Real Madrid
    Israel
    Aug 4, 2018
    Nat'l Team:
    Israel
    Why is he rotating so much? why is he playing players out of position?
    you need a LB? play guti, not nacho. you need a Right winger? Play rodrygo/lucas/hazard.

    just throwing "the best" players available will not bring you the results.
    choose your starting 11 and let them play.

    BTW, valverde, is a MUST in the middle, I had enough on saying that.
     
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  3. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
     
  4. RaMaaa

    RaMaaa Member+

    Feb 3, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Especialy Valverde should be tired. RB, RW, CM... what the hell. Just play him where is the best.
     
  5. Doni

    Doni Member+

    Dec 4, 2010
    London
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Lol. What bullshit. So the players who wouldn’t be in a fixed 11 are tired of getting minutes ... makes sense.
     
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  6. YOUNGSTARS87

    YOUNGSTARS87 Yellow C@rd Bandit

    Dec 21, 2005
    If this is true this is coming from the midfielders people keep thinking we should keep and they will happily sit on the bench and not expect to play every time they are fit.

    Anyways, I find it hilarious the problem now is Ancelotti is rotating too much. Now rotation is a problem.
     
  7. YOUNGSTARS87

    YOUNGSTARS87 Yellow C@rd Bandit

    Dec 21, 2005
    You can't do that when you have to keep Modric, Kroos and Casemiro happy.

    Those guys can only play in midfield so in order to force them in the lineup we have to force the others elsewhere... because we still need their energy and drive.

    We can't press well with them because they just don't have the legs for it. Kroos can at times but Modric? All those years of depending on him to play like 2 or 3 men has caught up.
     
  8. Knedalah

    Knedalah Member

    Real Madrid
    Israel
    Aug 4, 2018
    Nat'l Team:
    Israel
    I think it's possible to rotate, but it has to be smart.
    Not away from home no matter what.
    At home only against lower side in the league.
    Also in Copa He should rotate of course.
    Sherrif - it's funny to say but he should have rotated alot in that game even though we lost.
     
  9. Drouchk

    Drouchk Member+

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Aug 9, 2018
    Carlo has to decide what’s important to him right now, keeping his job or protecting the feelings of a couple of players.

    Perez will not fire him because certain players complained and leaked stuff about him ( he’s been there himself ) as long as the team is performing well and getting results, however he's out the door faster than he can say Cannoli if he we keep getting the results we’ve gotten this past week.
     
  10. AppleBob86

    AppleBob86 Member+

    Real Madrid
    Jan 11, 2018
    Lol. Either bullshit or we have another mole leaking stuff to the media again.
     
  11. 2Magia2

    2Magia2 Member

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Jul 17, 2018
    And Juan Jesus would have helped keep a clean sheet ?

    We have a new coach trying to implement new ideas. Lack of proper preseason also didn't help.

    These defeats imo are more on Carlo than the players. The team selection, subs, tactics everything has been just mehh.

    Sure Miguel makes mistakes but who hasn't.. Casemiro, Modric have all been making mistakes. Till Mendy is available Miguel is our best bet at LB. Stick with him. Till Carva returns stick to Nacho at RB.

    Hopefully we get to see more of Blanco n Arribas.
     
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  12. 2Magia2

    2Magia2 Member

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Jul 17, 2018
    And I don't get this Vinicius trolling. He actually had a decent game. Are we going to troll a 21 year old kid everytime he doesn't register a goal or assist. Seriously ..
     
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  13. saadomar

    saadomar Member+

    Real Madrid
    Mar 21, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #413 saadomar, Oct 4, 2021
    Last edited: Oct 4, 2021
    I had mentioned Rudiger had 1 yr left on his contract back in the summer as well. We could've at least spoken with Chelsea since at the time they were under the illusion that they'd get Kounde. Heck Kurt Zouma would've been a decent backup option. But we stuck with Nacho.

    RM thought Alaba would cover LB, RB, CB and CDM. Little did we know that we'd have a depth issue in all those positions at the same time. To top it off Alaba hasn't had a recent good game for RM in quite some time. That doesn't help. He tries to organize our defense but the results aren't very reassuring. But its hard to blame the new guy, even if he is as decorated as just about any defender not named Ramos.

    RB was a position we had plenty of time to search for replacements for. I've been talking about the lack of quality depth on it since 2 summers ago. It's not a sudden revelation that Carva has been injured for large swaths of our season. But suddenly LV playing out of his skin on his contract renewal year seemed to paper over the cracks there and made people at the top of Madrid forget that he's a Right Midfielder, who barely is even 3rd choice for his original position.

    We were just tunnel visioning Mbappe, and this is just the aftermath. Nacho and LV are our only starting options and it's too late to do anything about it. Heck we even tried Valverde at RB out of desperation. Just goes to show how badly we messed up by going all in on Carvajal staying healthy and Nacho being above his backup role.
     
  14. 2Magia2

    2Magia2 Member

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Jul 17, 2018

    Have you even seen the likes of Rudiger, Zouma play ? If you think Nacho is shit then watch a few games of these players and get back...

    I don't get your point about Mbappe. Are we supposed prioritize Rudigers, Juan Jesus, Zouma etc over Mbappe ?
     
  15. saadomar

    saadomar Member+

    Real Madrid
    Mar 21, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    He didn't struggle to bench Casemiro, so Modric and Kroos should be given the same treatment. There's no point pulling a Zizou and playing favorites. If they can't perform against minnows, they aren't getting trusted against big teams. The next game is el clasico on Oct 24th. If Modric and Kroos stinks it up in midfield and we drop points against the shittiest Barca in recent memory, Carlo should be worried.
     
  16. saadomar

    saadomar Member+

    Real Madrid
    Mar 21, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #416 saadomar, Oct 4, 2021
    Last edited: Oct 4, 2021
    Yes I have and Rudiger can get shit done. He's tall and he is positionally sound. He doesn't go in with last ditch tackles when he's the last man, something Nacho has been doing ad nauseam.

    Mbappe was priority but shouldn't have been everything, we had other positions that needed reinforcements, but we focused only on selling and conserving, a recurring theme in pursuit of the answer to our prayers apparently. My point was and is that we should've worked on other positions rather than counting down the days twiddling our thumbs. In retrospect it also turned out to be a completely pointless pursuit since we have to wait on him running down his contract ANYWAYS.

    Florentino has plenty of resources to find solutions to alleviate the depth issues. My guess is he was tightening his purse-strings for Mbappe only, and didn't wanna spend unless it was a "steal" on a covid stricken off season. Fiscal austerity is good, but this is the result. We deal with Nacho and LV regularly mucking it up until Carva is healthy for 5-6 games.
     
  17. saadomar

    saadomar Member+

    Real Madrid
    Mar 21, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #417 saadomar, Oct 4, 2021
    Last edited: Oct 4, 2021
    LV seemingly is always in the thick of some of the worst lapses we have when we're struggling. He's not a natural RB so it's hard to blame him. It's Florentino's fault for sticking with Carvajal too much, we already knew Odriozola was a dud. If RM doesn't go and get a RB next summer, we're just asking for trouble.

    We lost Hakimi for multiple reasons: we wouldn't give him regular play time, he wanted more money and he doesn't play defense well enough for our comfort. So that option was off the table understandably. But one wonders if things might've been different if we didn't outright sell him to Inter.
     
  18. 2Magia2

    2Magia2 Member

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Jul 17, 2018
    Buying just for the sake of it is how we ended up with Odriozola, Danilos, Theo's etc..

    Surely Rudiger gets shit done.. If all else fails he can just bite off the opponent.

    The way both Mbappe and Flo/Club have been handling the situation is perfection. I don't know what you are whining about. If you were so sure we wouldn't be getting him then you wouldn't have changed your dp after initial bids. :p
     
  19. saadomar

    saadomar Member+

    Real Madrid
    Mar 21, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #419 saadomar, Oct 4, 2021
    Last edited: Oct 4, 2021
    I still think Mbappe is a foregone conclusion, which is why I wanted us to move onto other ways to improve.

    Let's have Carlo use every presser to regurgitate the same thing: small details, lack of organization, played badly. When the real problem he is too scared to address is his lack of better options.

    Modric and Kroos are well past their prime and now are ready for father time it seems. That 1st leg against Liverpool last season might've been the last time we saw the best of the legendary KCM trio.

    Fortunately Valverde and Camavinga are getting plenty of play time, but Carlo's got to stop using them out of position. Forcing Kroos and Modric back in, or covering for a trash LV is generally the reasons why they are forced into those scenarios.

    That whole "Vini as a center forward" idea also belongs in the rubbish bin. Play him as a winger or not at all. He was severely hamstrung against Espanyol because he doesn't transition well into that role. So all those geniuses propping up Hazard to play down Vini need to take a hike. Vini is better than Hazard period, and Hazard ain't doing shit about it!
     
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  20. temesgen

    temesgen Member+

    Jun 27, 2004
    I think that window is closing, we have known for a couple seasons now that we need more athleticism in midfield. In part that need was addressed when Fede started to play more under Zidane. But it's an even bigger need now as KMC midfield is even older now.
     
  21. Lyra

    Lyra Member+

    Apr 29, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Did both play for 70 minutes?
     
  22. SoyDelMustang

    SoyDelMustang Member+

    Dec 24, 2007
    Flushing,Queens
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    One thing is for certain. The club needs to address the holes in the roster and stop using players out of position. It’s a shame Carlo has to use players out of position like Camavinga and Valverde to compensate for others like LV. Whoever thought it was a good idea not to get a backup RB should be fired immediately.

    Some executive literally told themselves “Carvajal should last the whole season and if not we can just throw in LV, it’s cool bro.” Incompetence at it’s finest.
     
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  23. saadomar

    saadomar Member+

    Real Madrid
    Mar 21, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
  24. Lyra

    Lyra Member+

    Apr 29, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
  25. saadomar

    saadomar Member+

    Real Madrid
    Mar 21, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    So last season the G/A per 90 mattered because it favored Eden, but this season it doesn't because it doesn't favor Eden. Well done, Lyra! You have won us all over and we'll be piling on the Eden Fanwagon. :D
     

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