UEFA Superleague idea

Discussion in 'UEFA and Europe' started by barroldinho, Aug 3, 2009.

  1. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It has nothing to do with FIFA. It's UEFA Financial Fair Play.

    Both teams appealed to CAS. CAS ruled that Milan breached FFP rules but that Man City didn't.
     
  2. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
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    I love the idea that a Super League run by American, Russian and Middle Eastern oligarchs is somehow going to be less corrupt.
     
  3. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If the Super League does happen it will probably consist of a few Italian and Spanish clubs and a bunch from secondary leagues. PSG and Bayern want no part and I don't think the English clubs will get involved.

    Celtic and Rangers would love the idea.
     
  4. Nope, that's why UEFA sanctioned them, in my opinion still too lenient, but CAS judged UEFA was wrong. Havenot seen their reasoning behind it. Guess their lawyers found a loophole.
     
  5. The whole idea behind this esl was the gathering of a few "elite" clubs that would corner the tv/multimedia market and steal the shine of the UCL in a closed league form.
    However the humbug about the enormous amount of money didnot materialize and to make it work these esl clubs needed the lifeline of their domestic leagues.

    Without the stars playing for PSG, Bayern, the top epl clubs the attractiveness of the multimedia rights go down the drain, including the lofty money making predictions.

    On top of that Brexit has created a minefield of problems the UK and the EU can throw at the clubs that didnot exist when the UK still was a member of the EU.

    The esl simply is financial and political very dead and the body has been cremated.
     
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  6. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    This shows that UEFA was blowing smoke. They have no power. It opens the door for the ESL in the future. The execution was terrible but the seed has been planted. The only problem is that the EPL clubs can't do a 2nd about face this soon.
     
  7. Sigh.
    What about the fact this esl is supposed to be played in independent countries, that will do everything in their power to obstruct this league can't you grasp?
    The UEFA has agreements with the EU and EU countries concerning footballers playing on their territory and tax agreements for the clubs and players in UEFA tournements.
    The UK is opposed to this league. The EU countries are opposed to this league.
    How much chance do you think this esl has to get UEFA like exemptions from these countries?
    To play in either the UK as EU country club or in the EU as UK clubs you will have to be given work permits and visa by both parties, that made it clear they donot want this esl.
    So how many visa will be granted?
    Investors with the first esl attemp come from countries like the USA, who obviously have no clue the EU isnot a bunch of federal states, but a bunch of independent states.
     
  8. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    You just basically defined a Government sponsored monopoly / mafia.
     
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  9. The esl clubs MO was to take all the money and run. If this original fata morgana really was a possibility, it would mean the death of football in most of the countries, as the money generated in the UCL distributed all over Europe. In the esl fantasy all that money would end up in the pockets of the 11 permanent members and 5 socalled invited ones.
    Football has been declared a European and by countries a national heritage and they vowed to protect that heritage. The EU and the member states donot sponsore a monopoly with that stance. Get real.
     
  10. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Seems like a broken system to me if the money from the UCL, a competition that has really only come more into prominence since the early 2000s, is the pillar of all smaller clubs in Europe.
     
  11. These esl clubs still can play their esl matches, if they play them all in one country, for instance in the USA.
    If the esl jackpot really exists it's a no brainer. Start the esl in the USA. One country, one tax regime, one work permit regime etc.
     
  12. It's not that simple. The esl planned to play their matches on prime time in Europe. That would have a major impact on the revenues of the clubs, apart from the hundreds of millions distributed by UEFA to the FA's for the base of football, amateurs and football development.
    You really should read the financial report UEFA under the Swiss law has to publish to see what would disappear in the pockets of a few clubs to the detriment of football grassroots in the whole of Europe.
    Your notion of monopoly/mafia is really a statement of not having a clue how football in Europe functions and what it means over here.
     
  13. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
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    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The European Cup was always a big deal. It just didn't become a big money maker until they introduced the group stage.
     
  14. celito

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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    That's what I meant, form a financial point of view.
     
  15. shvungpita19

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  17. Courtneysmith

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    marseille
    Scotland
    Aug 25, 2020
    IT WAS within the pages of the French sports weekly Le Miroir des sports in 1934 that Gabriel Hanot suggested football’s future lay within the concept of a cross-border European club competition.

    Not a cup competition, but a league. Hanot had put plenty of thought into his idea. Under his plan, the top two teams in each national league would advance to a pan-European league for the following season before returning to domestic duties 12 months later, replaced in Hanot’s league by two more teams per nation from the previous various domestic campaigns.

    Some 87 years later, football threatened to tear itself apart all in the name of a cross-border Super League.
    Nothing in the sport is as new as you might think it to be.
     
  18. https://apnews.com/article/soccer-s...occer-europe-dcddb3546ca75f8877f4e79902fe17fd
    Many European states support UEFA in Super League legal case
    By GRAHAM DUNBAROctober 20, 2021
    GENEVA (AP) — More than half of the European Union member states have formally opposed soccer’s Super League project at the European Court of Justice, UEFA said Wednesday.

    Of the 27 EU members, 16 filed written submissions against the league to the court in Luxembourg by Monday’s deadline. The court has been asked by a judge in Madrid to examine if UEFA and FIFA have a monopoly control of the sport.

    UEFA said the 16 nations include Spain and Italy — home countries of Real Madrid, Barcelona and Juventus, the teams leading the 12-club Super League company’s legal fight.

    Germany is also expected to oppose the Super League.

    The European court is expected to hold a public hearing in the first half of next year. A ruling could take several more months.

    EU member states want to protect the “European Sports Model,” which gives soccer its exemptions from competition laws. The model defends the role elite and grassroots sports play in European life when they are part of the same pyramid of competitions and funding open to everyone through promotion and relegation.

    The Super League project, which was announced in April but quickly collapsed, was to break away from the Champions League and run its own 20-team competition. Fifteen invited clubs from Europe’s five wealthiest soccer markets would have had protected status while the other five places would have been open to other clubs.
     
  19. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If I work for a company based in London and I'm asked to do a 3 day project in Zurich, I don't need a visa or a tax agreement between the two countries.
     
  20. Courtneysmith

    Courtneysmith Member

    marseille
    Scotland
    Aug 25, 2020
    #996 Courtneysmith, Nov 1, 2021
    Last edited: Nov 1, 2021
    When a sport is created an international club league must be created adding teams in each tier until each tier has reached a maximum of say 24 teams then open to every club in existence based on promotion and relegation to move between the different tiers based on merit even if all the teams come for the same stadium or from different places across the universe or wherever.


    Basically if the football league as it's founder William McGregor wanted had included teams from Wales, Ireland and Scotland from the very start then teams from other places around the world/universe would have joined the various tiers of the football league over the years based on merit i.e. promotion and relegation then we today would have a proper international club league and the game of football would be all the better for it today.
    i.e. the best clubs playing each other in a league to discover which is the best club side.
     
  21. It's not the same. The best comparison is the one with artists from all over the globe. You can't jump in a plane and book a theatre to perform without the necesary paperwork.
    Feyenoord and Tottenham hotspurs years ago had a conflict based on what you suggest isnot existing. Something with double taxation. Can't find t back yet.
     
  22. Courtneysmith

    Courtneysmith Member

    marseille
    Scotland
    Aug 25, 2020
    simple people making simple things complex.

    Just talking about humanity in general.
     
  23. welshbairn

    welshbairn Member+

    Clachnacuddin
    Scotland
    Jul 31, 2019
    Aye, sure. Ipswich at home one week then Sydney away the next. Marvellous.
     
  24. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But that wasn't very practical at a time when it took 6 weeks to get from the UK to Australia or a whole day to get from New York to St Louis.

    The Football League was a regional league, as was the Scottish Football League, which was why they developed separately. Most Welsh teams competed in the English system until 1992 and the top teams still do.
     

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