Post-match: San Jose Earthquakes - Los Angeles FC (Saturday, 9/25) postgame thread [R]

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  1. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    #26 JazzyJ, Sep 26, 2021
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    BTW, welcome Jackson Yueill to the JuRY Fan Club.

     
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  2. Beerking

    Beerking Member+

    Nov 14, 2000
    Humboldt County
    I told you we had nothing to worry about. :)
     
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  3. markmcf8

    markmcf8 Member+

    Oct 18, 1999
    Vancouver, WA, USA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Did you see Almeyda’s post game comments on Aftershock?

    One of the Aftershock guys asked about the weird unbalanced formation, and Matías said that that was the plan. So yeah, you’re right about that.

    Another thing that hampered our possession game was LaF#ck’s overwhelming use of negative cynical fouling to interfere with our possessions. They fouled us a ton and should have gotten cards for persistent infringement, but of course, they didn’t.

    I’m really annoyed that we got Baldo and then Marufo back to back. Two shitty refs who allow way too much fouling in the matches. And Marufo was downright biased in favor of LaF#ck.

    So it’s very cool that we won both games. Good on us!!

    And this game was much more group effort, rather than relying on Chofis to carry us. And props to Chofis for really picking up his game. I guess that he really wasn’t ready at the start of the season.

    Go Quakesfans!!

    - Mark
     
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  4. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Chofis's passing this game was really, really good. Stuff that he'd try earlier in the season, it was often, well, that was kind of clever / tricky, but didn't work. Now I think his confidence is sky high and he's being just a little more patient and those passes are starting to work. I'm sure knowing his teammates better and vice versa is also helping. But confidence has a lot to do with it right now I would guess. He was also routinely holding onto the ball against 2 or 3 defenders via clever touches with those size 5 boots :).
     
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  5. TyffaneeSue

    TyffaneeSue moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 15, 2003
    Upstairs
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    He's more confident, and his teammates trust him more (and vice versa).

    Did we get two yellows for diving, or was that just my interpretation?
     
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  6. chris thebassplayer

    Feb 18, 2014
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Haha, c'mom Jazz, your original JuRY line up didn't have Chofis even on the field...or was it bring him in if you need a goal... I didn't think excluding Chofis was the way to go. I always thought playing Judson behind in central mid floating in and out of a three back was the best way to get Jackson, Judson, Remedi and Chofis all on the field...with Chofis in basically a free roll to float ... that was the end goal...Almeyda had to adapt his midfield defensive tactics to more zone coverage to finally free up Chofis...But I agree it sure looks like the long awaited mythical Almeyda 3-4-3 with Judson drifting centrally as a 6 and centrally between the CBs for backline coverage. It is incredibly dynamic, crazy amount of players exchanging space and positions. It looks great...with more repetition it will get even better defensively... I hope we roll with it the rest of the season...but I'm bummed it took so long to implement...it was unfortunate Judson was unavailable for so long at the start of the season, and we didn't upgrade at CB by bringing in Nathan prior to the season.
     
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  7. markmcf8

    markmcf8 Member+

    Oct 18, 1999
    Vancouver, WA, USA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Also, his teammates now expect him to pass to them. So they are looking for those clever passes and expecting them, so they are ready to receive the ball. That helps a lot.

    Many of our players now move to the open space better, which is great. Also, it’s a big improvement over the Frank/Wat(TF)/Dom days.

    But yes, we are looking much better. I still hold out no hope that we make the playoffs. We might, but I really doubt it.

    Go Quakesfans!!

    - Mark
     
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  8. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    #33 JazzyJ, Sep 26, 2021
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    Haha, c'mon cthbp, you're trying to invalidate JuRY with a technicality! It's called the JuRY™ midfield, not the JuRYnC (Judson-Remedi-Yueill-no-Chofis) midfield. But in fact Chofis has not played in the midfield the 2 times the Quakes have actually employed JuRY. He's played forward in 4-3-3 setups essentially.

    As for Chofis's role, I miscalculated because 1) I didn't consider Chofis as a forward, 2) Chofis had not yet blown up (remember Cade was our most productive player for nearly the 1st half of the season and Chofis was underperforming), and 3) who knew we'd acquire Nathan, which also changes the calculus a bit, giving us more formation options in the back.

    I don't think Almeyda had to adjust to more zone coverage to go JuRY. We were generally playing 4-4-1-1 setups and the front 2 do not have specific man responsibilty in Matias's man system anyway. Last night you'd see Chofis occasionally running 3 yards behind an attacking defender, and that's what he was doing before. Nothing's changed there. He's not going to help much with defense either way.

    You realize that a 3-4-3 with Judson, Remedi, and Yueill in central midfield makes for an unbalanced formation, right? Judson at the back in front of the back line and then Remedi and Yueill as kind of double pivot 8's, and then there's one more to the midfield 4. You could have someone like Espinoza and let him roam from side to side, but the point is that it's unbalanced. That may or may not be a good thing. Espinoza's been largely ineffective from the left side, save for that one recent goal. So I'm not necessarily high on it.

    With Nathan in the mix, I'd either do a 3-5-2, with Nathan-Alanis-Beas(t) at the back, Chofis playing off of Jebo or Benji, JuRY, and two wingers, or I'd use the 4-3-3 we've used the last 2 times we've used JuRY. It only looked funny last night because no one was really playing "left forward". Benji and Chofis were both playing more centrally, and there was a big hole on the attack from the left except when Lopez pushed forward (and BTW that led to our 2nd goal when Alanis came forward to help fill that attacking gap on the left).

    It took so long to implement this because we made bad decisions. No excuses. It took us until about the 22nd game, in LA, to try it!! There were times when Jack was out or Remedi out with yellow accumulation,etc. but we had many opportunities. When Judson became available there were games where he sat on the bench, or Remedi sat on the bench, or Matias would stick Judson into some goofy right back role. Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb. We didn't need Nathan to do it either. Could have been Alanis-Beas(t) as CB's with our outside backs, JuRY, together with 3 in the front, including Chofis, etc. In fact, that's what it was in the first use of JuRY - the dominant win in LA. Nathan was out with a red. Alanis-Beas(t) CB's in a back 4.
     
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  9. davidjd

    davidjd Member+

    Jun 30, 2000
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Official summary only shows one to Espinoza. From what I recall live it was not. I don't think this is something DC would look at though unfortunately.
     
  10. run_it_out

    run_it_out Member+

    Earthquakes
    United States
    Jun 19, 2018
    I think what we are seeing from Chofis the last few games is the best run of form I've ever seen from an Earthquake. I am just sitting back and enjoying it free of my hatred of Fisher and skepticism of the future of the team.
     
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  11. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Disagree completely. The Quakes kept losing the ball over and over. Are you saying they were doing that on purpose so that they could counter? I dun theen so, Lucy.

    The reason we started possessing the ball was after LAFC subbed in 4 players at the 58th min, and I think 1-2 of them were teenagers.
     
  12. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Vako also got super hot one year - 2019, I think, and there was a point where he was in the MVP conversation! Didn't last too long though.
     
  13. markmcf8

    markmcf8 Member+

    Oct 18, 1999
    Vancouver, WA, USA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, we lost the ball a lot, but we were also looking for the quick counter. There were a number of plays where we lost the ball looking for one of our strikers or other attackers.

    We weren’t playing our usual possession game, which includes a lot of back passes to the defenders.

    Go Quakesfans!!

    - Mark
     
  14. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    :rolleyes:
     
  15. vamanoshasta

    vamanoshasta Member

    Aug 12, 2006
    They showed the replay at the game and it looked like Espinoza got nicked in the foot and went down. On the other end, however, they showed the replay of the LAFC guy going down and it didn't look like he was touched at all.
     
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  16. SoccerMan94043

    SoccerMan94043 Member+

    May 29, 2003
    San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought the Espinoza yellow was BS... he was definitely hit and it should have been a PK.
     
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  17. TyffaneeSue

    TyffaneeSue moderator
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    Nov 15, 2003
    Upstairs
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Guys go down in the box all the time, evidently hoping for a PK, and the referee usually ignores it. In this case, it was so egregious that Jair thought the play deserved something. Odd choice, but there have been a few controversial PKs in the last couple of weeks, so maybe the referees have been told not to award them except in very clear situations? (I thought this was clear in real time and in the replays.)
     
  18. bsman

    bsman Member+

    May 30, 2001
    MadCity
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    I spoke to Eric Visser (MLS Match Commissioner) who spoke to the VAR at halftime. VAR said: "No contact".
     
  19. nivla

    nivla Member+

    Jan 17, 2003
    Milpitas
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    No contact is fine, but a yellow card? I don't remember Espinoza doing much to ask for a PK. Did he?
     
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  20. bsman

    bsman Member+

    May 30, 2001
    MadCity
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Probably 'simulation'? Don't really know.
     
  21. Scott Rohde

    Scott Rohde Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 28, 2018
    If he doesn't ask for a card it shouldn't be simulation. Maybe he fell to the ground to avoid getting hit? Or maybe he slipped? Or maybe he lost balance?
     
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  22. bsman

    bsman Member+

    May 30, 2001
    MadCity
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Not sure I understand your comment here at all.

    Law 12 states:

    "Cautions for unsporting behaviour
    There are different circumstances when a player must be cautioned for unsporting behaviour including if a player:
    • attempts to deceive the referee, e.g. by feigning injury or pretending to have been fouled (simulation)"

    Whether he asks for a card is immaterial. The act of pretending to have been fouled if there is no contact (in the eyes of the ref) would be cautionable regardless of what happens after the fall.
     
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  23. markmcf8

    markmcf8 Member+

    Oct 18, 1999
    Vancouver, WA, USA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don’t know about you, but I saw contact in the replays. Not a lot, but sure as hell Espinoza had to jump out of the way or he’d have been injured.

    What do the laws say about that?

    GO Quakesfans!!

    - Mark
     
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  24. TyffaneeSue

    TyffaneeSue moderator
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    Nov 15, 2003
    Upstairs
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Has anyone seen a video? In real time, our impression was "that's got to be a PK" and the replay also appeared to show contact.

    Edit: Mark and I once again on the same wavelength!
     
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  25. TyffaneeSue

    TyffaneeSue moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 15, 2003
    Upstairs
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    I would also add that you can create a credible threat without actual contact. If someone makes a fist and swings it into your face, you will reflexively flinch, even if the fist stops an inch away from your nose. If I'm running and someone sticks out a leg to trip me, I'm going to break stride even if the trip doesn't happen.

    I realize this is way too nuanced for an MLS referee, but it's still the soccer equivalent of assault.
     
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