News: Open Cup not so open this year (or cuppy)

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by JasonMa, Feb 8, 2021.

  1. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Bah. At least we can still talk about the World Cup stadiums :)
     
  2. MLSinCleveland

    MLSinCleveland Member+

    Oct 12, 2006
    Cleveland, Ohio
    Club:
    Cleveland C. S.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dumb question, but why cancel the Cup when every US soccer league is playing (in front of fans) this season?
     
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  3. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Don't we now need another MLS is Back type tournament to award the last CCL spot?
     
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  4. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    They said they had trouble with travel and accommodations... Remember, the Cup makes very little money even in a normal year.
     
  5. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    There isn't much time to squeeze in the games for MLS and USL-C this time of year. MLS teams will play 20-22 games each over the next 15 weeks. There are also the FIFA breaks coming up in September and October so really it is closer to 13 weeks for most teams. There are almost 100 mid-week MLS games still to play this season. Plus CCL and Leagues Cup.

    USL-C is similar as far as games left to play. They will also have a lot of mid-week league games.

    The lower divisions have already ended their seasons. If the USSF has known how things were going to go back in the spring then maybe things could have been scheduled but it was hard to predict.
     
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  6. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, as the article says:

    It was never going to be a real Open Cup this year, in any event. The way only select teams were allowed to be involved was antithetical to the whole concept of an open cup. I'm glad it was axed. Looking forward to the real thing returning next year.
     
  7. MLSinCleveland

    MLSinCleveland Member+

    Oct 12, 2006
    Cleveland, Ohio
    Club:
    Cleveland C. S.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Great point.
     
  8. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    No U.S. Open Cup this year but they are having the Canadian Championship.

    2021 Canadian Championship
    Home team first.
    Times are ET

    The tournament is entirely single-legs this year.

    Preliminary Round
    Sunday, August 15
    FC Edmonton (CPL) 0-2 Cavalry FC (CPL)

    Tuesday, August 17

    HFX Wanders (CPL) 2-1 Blainville (PLQ)

    Saturday, August 21
    York United (CPL) v. Master's Futbol (L1O) 3:00 pm
    Atletico Ottawa (CPL) v. Valour FC (CPL) 7:00 pm

    Thursday, August 26
    Pacific FC (CPL) v. Vancouver Whitecaps (MLS) 10:00 pm

    The Quarterfinals which add in Forge FC, Toronto FC , and CF Montreal start on September 14.
     
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  9. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Member+

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    What leagues are PLQ and L10? Are those Canadian amateur leagues?
     
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  10. Soccerglue

    Soccerglue Member

    Jul 24, 2005
    Atlanta
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Premier Ligue Quebec and League 1 Ontario. They are D3 in Canada I believe. I looked it up myself lol.
     
  11. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Which doesn't answer the question as to whether they're amateur or professional leagues. And while I have no problem with amateur leagues playing in national Cup competitions, I do disagree with them being placed in a "professional pyramid". In the U.S. for instance, the PDL (and it's brethren) are not "D4" - they're not "in the pyramid" at all.

    Now if some other country has some weird structure where you have amateurs under contract, but unpaid, I'm open to being convinced, but the there is no pathway for a PDL club to sell, buy, or trade players with a professional club in the United States. Amateur clubs, in the U.S. at least, own no rights to their players. Players can leave at any time and sign a pro contract. They may be "cup tied" for a given tournament, but that's quibbling.
     
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  12. Doogh

    Doogh Member+

    Oct 5, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #112 Doogh, Aug 21, 2021
    Last edited: Aug 21, 2021
    Recently, there was an player from an amateur team that got sold for an undisclosed sum to a NISA team. Peter Wilt touted out as a "solidarity payment" - apparently the first of it's kind from a professional team to amateur because the amateur team "developed" this player - even though he only appeared as a player for this amateur team once. In 2020 - where the season was cancelled due to obvious reasons.

    I figured that Peter Wilt doesn't fully understand what a solidarity payment is.
     
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  13. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Solidarity payments aren't transfer payments.
     
  14. Chesco United

    Chesco United Member+

    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Here's hoping for a great 2022 Lamar Hunt US Open Cup!
     
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  15. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2021 Canadian Championship
    Home team first.
    Times are ET

    The tournament is entirely single-legs this year.

    Preliminary Round
    Sunday, August 15
    FC Edmonton (CPL) 0-2 Cavalry FC (CPL)

    Tuesday, August 17

    HFX Wanderers (CPL) 2-1 Blainville (PLQ)

    Saturday, August 21
    York United (CPL) 5-0 Master's Futbol (L1O)
    Atletico Ottawa (CPL) 2-3 Valour FC (CPL)

    Thursday, August 26
    Pacific FC (CPL) 4-3 Vancouver Whitecaps (MLS)

    Quarterfinals
    Wednesday, September 15
    Forge FC (CPL) v. Valour FC (CPL) TBA

    Wednesday, September 22
    Toronto FC (MLS) v. York United (CPL) TBA
    Cavalry FC (CPL) v. Pacific FC (CPL) TBA
    HFX Wanderers (CPL) v. CF Montreal (MLS) TBA

    Semifinals are September 28/29.
     
  16. AeroNaught

    AeroNaught Member+

    Atlanta United
    Feb 14, 2007
    Birmingham, AL
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yikes Vancouver...did they play their kids or something?
     
  17. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Their A squad
     
  18. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2021 Canadian Championship
    Home team first.
    Times are ET

    The tournament is entirely single-legs this year.

    Preliminary Round
    Sunday, August 15
    FC Edmonton (CPL) 0-2 Cavalry FC (CPL)

    Tuesday, August 17

    HFX Wanderers (CPL) 2-1 Blainville (PLQ)

    Saturday, August 21
    York United (CPL) 5-0 Master's Futbol (L1O)
    Atletico Ottawa (CPL) 2-3 Valour FC (CPL)

    Thursday, August 26
    Pacific FC (CPL) 4-3 Vancouver Whitecaps (MLS)

    Quarterfinals
    Wednesday, September 15
    Forge FC (CPL) 2-1 Valour FC (CPL)

    Wednesday, September 22
    Toronto FC (MLS) v. York United (CPL) 5:00 pm
    Cavalry FC (CPL) v. Pacific FC (CPL) 7:30 pm
    HFX Wanderers (CPL) v. CF Montreal (MLS) 9:00 pm

    Semifinals are September 28/29.
     
  19. AeroNaught

    AeroNaught Member+

    Atlanta United
    Feb 14, 2007
    Birmingham, AL
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So teams in the CPL have two chances to qualify for the CCL (win the CPL or the Canadian Championship), but MLS teams only have one?
     
  20. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Winning the CPL only gets you into the CONCACAF League. Teams have to finish in the top 6 of that to get to the CCL. The Canadian Championship gets you straight into the CCL.

    At this time Canadian MLS teams have to win the Canadian Championship to qualify for the CCL.

    That is changing for the 2023-2024 CCL but we don't know the exact qualification system. The Canadian MLS teams will apparently be able to qualify for the CCL qualifying tournament via MLS play.
     
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  21. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2021 Canadian Championship
    Home team first.
    Times are ET

    The tournament is entirely single-legs this year.

    Quarterfinals
    Wednesday, September 15
    Forge FC (CPL) 2-1 Valour FC (CPL)

    Wednesday, September 22
    Toronto FC (MLS) 4-0 York United (CPL)
    Cavalry FC (CPL) 0-1 Pacific FC (CPL)
    HFX Wanderers (CPL) 1-3 CF Montreal (MLS)

    Semifinals
    September 28/29
    Toronto FC (MLS) v. Pacific FC (CPL)
    Forge FC (CPL) v. CF Montreal (MLS)
     
  22. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    That post didn't age well. We'll see how the new CCL works.
     
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  23. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Not that badly. The Canadian MLS teams can qualify for the CCL via their play as MLS teams as opposed to via their MLS play.

    A subtle distinction, but still an avenue unavailable to CPL teams.
     
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  24. Doogh

    Doogh Member+

    Oct 5, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    CPL teams get 2 slots (league winners and runners-up second place) to the first round of this newly expanded CCL, unlike now where one league winner qualifies to CCL if they win CONCACAF League. I think it combines the best of both worlds this way, so it's a win-win for both CPL and Canadian MLS teams.
     
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  25. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    They don't have to actually win the CONCACAF League, just come in top 6 at the moment.

    We'll have to wait and see if this is a win for the Canadian MLS teams if their only route remains the Canadian Championship.
     

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