The Did you know thread. Uselss, but fascinating trivia, facts and stories

Discussion in 'Soccer History' started by Excape Goat, Oct 17, 2007.

  1. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    48 Ukraine v England.jpg

    Ukraine 0-4 England


    Previous internationals played by Ukraine in Rome.
    2006-10-07 : 0-2 v Italy (Euro Qualifier)

    Previous internationals played by England in Rome.
    1933-05-13 : 1-1 v Italy (friendly)
    1961-05-24 : 3-2 v Italy (friendly)
    1968-06-08 : 0-2 v USSR (Euro semi-final)
    1976-11-17 : 0-2 v Italy (World Cup qualifier)
    1997-11-11 : 0-0 v Italy (World Cup qualifier)

    Earliest England goals in Euro history.
    2'25" Michael Owen (2004 v Portugal)
    3'32" Harry Kane (2020 v Ukraine)

    Earlier second half goals scored in Euro history.
    45'22" Marcel Coras (1984 Romania v West Germany)
    45'28" Karol Linetty (2020 Poland v Slovakia)
    45'36" Emile Mpenza (2000 Belgium v Sweden)
    45'55" Harry Maguire (2020 England v Ukraine)

    Leading England scorers in major tournament history (Euro + World Cup):
    10 Gary Lineker
    9 Alan Shearer, Harry Kane
    7 Wayne Rooney

    England are the first team in history to score three headed goals in a single Euro match.

    Most England international appearances before scoring his first goal.
    62 Jordan Henderson (Euro 2020 v Ukraine)
    47 Sol Campbell (2002 World Cup v Sweden)
     
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  2. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Domestic leagues with the most represented players in the semifinals of Euro 2020.
    42 England (41 Premier League, 1 Championship)
    31 Italian Serie A
    13 Spanish La Liga
    7 German Bundesliga
    4 Danish Superliga
    4 French Ligue 1
    1 Swedish Allsvenskan

    Domestic leagues with the most represented players in the semifinals of Copa América 2021.
    20 Italian Serie A
    14 English Premier League
    11 Peruvian Primera División
    11 Spanish La Liga
    8 Argentine Primera División
    8 Mexican Liga MX
    6 French Ligue 1
    6 Portuguese Primeira Liga
    4 Brasileiro Série A
    4 Colombian Categoría Primera A
    4 Netherlands (2 Eredivisie + 2 Eerste Divisie)
    4 North American Major League Soccer
    3 Belgian First Division A
    3 Saudi Arabian Professional League
    2 German Bundesliga
    1 Russian Premier League
    1 Scottish Premiership


    COMBINED Euro + Copa América
    56 England (55 Premier League, 1 Championship)
    51 Italian Serie A
    24 Spanish La Liga
    11 Peruvian Primera División
    10 French Ligue 1
    9 German Bundesliga
    8 Argentine Primera División
    8 Mexican Liga MX
    6 French Ligue 1
    6 Portuguese Primeira Liga
    4 Brasileiro Série A
    4 Colombian Categoría Primera A
    4 Danish Superliga
    4 Netherlands (2 Eredivisie + 2 Eerste Divisie)
    4 North American Major League Soccer
    3 Belgian First Division A
    3 Saudi Arabian Professional League
    1 Russian Premier League
    1 Scottish Premiership
    1 Swedish Allsvenskan
     
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  3. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Club:
    AGF Aarhus
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
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  4. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    49 Italy v Spain.jpg

    Italy 1-1 aet Spain
    Italy advance 4-2 onpenalties


    Teams with most players in their squad to score at least two goals in a single Euro tournament:
    5 - France 2000 (3 Henry, 2 Djorkaeff, 2 Trezeguet, 2 Wiltord, 2 Zidane)
    5 - Italy 2020 (2 Chiesa, 2 Pessina, 2 Insigne, 2 Immobile, 2 Locatelli)

    Spain leading goal scorers in Euro history:
    6 - Alvaro Morata
    5 - Fernando Torres
    4 - David Villa

    Alvaro Morata is the first ever Spanish player to score for both club and country at Wembley Stadium:
    2018 FA Cup semifinal, Chelsea v Southampton
    Euro 2020 semifinal, Spain v Italy

    European teams with the most appearances in major tournament finals (Euro + World Cup):
    14 - Germany
    10 - Italy

    Teams that played the most Euro matches than went to extra-time:
    9 - Italy
    8 - Spain

    Internationals between Italy v Spain that were decided on penalties:
    2008 Euro quarterfinal: 0-0 aet, Spain advance on 4-2 penalties.
    2013 Confederations Cup semifinal: 0-0 aet, Spain advance 7-6 on penalties.
    2020 Euro semifinal: 1-1 aet, Italy advance 4-2 on penalties.

    Italy v Spain in Euro history:
    1980 group phase: 0-0
    1988 group phase: Italy 1-0
    2008 quarterfinal: 0-0 aet, Spain advance 4-2 on penalties
    2012 group phase: 1-1
    2012 final: Spain 4-0
    2016 Round of 16: Italy 2-0
    2020 semifinal: 1-1 aet, Italy advance 4-2 on penalties
     
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  5. Buyo

    Buyo Member

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Dec 20, 2020
    PENALTY SHOOTOUT

    Lately there is some controversy because in penalty shootouts it seems that the statistics favor the team that shoots first.

    I've been looking at some data and in the final stages of the most important national team tournaments there is quite a bit of equality:

    EURO CUP FINAL PHASES (until the Italy-Spain match of Euro 2020):

    - 10 times the team that shot first won the match (47.6%)
    - 11 times the team that shot second won the match (52.4%)

    FINAL PHASES OF CUP AMERICA (until the Argentina-Colombia match of the Copa América 2021):

    - 16 times the team that shot first won the match (55.2%)
    - 13 times the team that shot second won the match (44.8%)

    WORLD CUP FINAL PHASES (until 2018):

    - 15 times the team that shot first won the match (50.0%)
    - 15 times the team that shot second won the match (50.0%)

    That is, 80 penalty shootouts with 41 victories for the team that shot in first place and 39 for the one that shot in second place.

    On the other hand, I have also obtained information on how the penalty shoot-out was resolved, whether with a winning penalty or with a missed shot:

    EURO CUP FINAL PHASES (until the Italy-Spain match of Euro 2020):

    - 17 times the penalty shootout ended with a penalty scored (81.0%)
    - 4 times the penalty shootout ended with a missed penalty (19.0%)

    FINAL PHASES OF CUP AMERICA (until the Argentina-Colombia match of the Copa América 2021):

    - 22 times the penalty shoot-out ended with a penalty scored (75.9%)
    - 7 times the penalty shoot-out ended with a missed penalty (24.1%)

    WORLD CUP FINAL PHASES (until 2018):

    - 18 times the penalty shootout ended with a penalty scored (60.0%)
    - 12 times the penalty shootout ended with a missed penalty (40.0%)

    That is, 80 penalty shootouts with 57 of them ended with a penalty scored and 23 of them ended with a missed penalty.
     
  6. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    Munich
    Wow that is some great research!
     
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  7. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    50 England v Denmark.jpg

    England 2-1 aet Denmark

    Longest consecutive international minutes without conceding a goal by England goalkeepers:
    691 - Jordan Pickford (November 2020-June 2021)
    720 - Gordon Banks (May-July 1966)

    Mikkel Damsgaard scored the first direct free kick goal of Euro 2020.

    Most consecutive minutes without conceding a goal in Euro history:
    541 Edwin Van der Sar (1996-2004)
    509 Iker Casillas (2008-2012)
    494 Dino Zoff (1968, 1980)
    491 Manuel Neuer (2012-2016)
    480 Jordan Pickford (2020)

    Euro tournaments with both semifinals went into extra-time:
    1976
    1984 (one decided on penalties)
    1996 (both decided on penalties)
    2000 (one decided on penalties)
    2020 (one decided on penalties)

    Most goals scored in a single Euro tournament:
    11 - Own Goal, 2020
    9 - Michel Platini, 1984

    England goals scored in extra-time of major internationals tournaments (Euro + World Cup):
    1954: Nat Lofthouse, 1954 World Cup group phase v Belgium (91')
    1966: Geoff Hurst (2), 1966 World Cup final v West Germany (101' and 120')
    1990: David Platt, 1990 World Cup Round of 16 v Belgium (120')
    1990: Gary Lineker, 1990 World Cup quarterfinal v Cameroon (105')
    2004: Frank Lampard, 2004 Euro quarterfinal v Portugal (115')
    2020: Harry Kane, 2020 Euro semifinal v Denmark (104')

    Leagues whose players have scored the most goals in Euro 2020:
    36 Italian Serie A
    31 English Premier League
    28 German Bundesliga
    8 Spanish La Liga
    7 French Ligue 1
     
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  8. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    In 1994, Italy's Under 21 team played in Caltanissetta with the yellow-red jersey of the local team of Nissa against Croatia. I believed that Italy made some mistake with their jersey. I don't know the full story.

     
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  9. Buyo

    Buyo Member

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Dec 20, 2020
    @Excape Goat

    I found the following explanation on Twitter (in spanish):



    In 1994 the Italian under-21 team, headed by Del Piero, received the Croatian national team in Caltanissetta in Sicily.

    The game started badly, in the run-up to the Croatian bus arrived at the stadium where by mistake the Serbian flag was waving at the Marco Tommaselli stadio, a serious mistake and possible diplomatic conflict.

    The next mistake was the jerseys, both teams were wearing white and Italy had not brought the azzurra jersey to Sicily.


    The problem is solved by making Italy play red! with the shirts of Nissa Calcio (local team) who played in Eccellenza (fifth division). Wearing red, Cesare Maldini's men defeated Croatia.
     
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  10. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Under the old Champions' league rule, clubs are awarded the trophy permanently after their 5 overall titles or winning 3 consecutive titles. . Once a club had been awarded the trophy, the count was reset to zero. However, since 2005, the rule ended after Liverpool won their fifth titles. Now, no one gets the trophy permanently.

    Real Madrid was awarded their first in 1966 after winning their 6th title, not 5th since the rule was not set until the1968-1969 season. If the count was set at zero after 1966, Real Madrid should have been awarded a trophy in 2016 after their new count reached 5. I don't think they were allowed to award their third for their three consecutive run between 2016 and 2018. The 2016 is already set at zero.

    Barcelona won their 5 titles in 2015, but was not given a trophy because of rule changes in 2006. If the old rule was in place, Barcelona should be holding the current trophy. The new trophy would have lasted only a season when Real Madrid was awarded their second.
     
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  11. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    @wm442433 might want to know this, the first two things of the three.

    1) Many people familiar with football will know Ruud Gullit wasn't his real name at birth. He thought his real name ('Ruud Dil') wasn't a real football name and doesn't help his career. Pictures of his passport (with Dil) have been shown and photographed at times. What I didn't know, is that he has changed his legal name now since a while (confirmed by himself here at 2:42). English and Dutch wikipedia doesn't know it either and incorrectly writes he still signs contracts with Dil.

    Speaking of this: both Depay and Van Dijk play with their first name on their shirt because of an estranged father. But why don't they change their name? Many teenagers do. Well, part of the answer - I'm almost sure - is that their mothers name (Van/Fo Sieeuw, Schensema) aren't 'star quality' names.

    It's an advantage to have an early letter in the alphabet, the more so when going abroad.

    2) Also funny: his famous hair style was most likely inspired by a (female?) singer (in 1984). He was of course a part-time singer himself (he thought he was). Below that video there are many comments like "Gullit before Milan" (with the most upvotes).


    (with English subtitles; apparently it also charted in France)

    'Gullit before PSV' (summer 1985) didn't have this hairstyle.

    The musical links don't stop there. Before he became famous, he and his family also knew the bassist of another band.

    3) The headquarters of the FA has been in Zeist since almost the very beginning (including their trainer courses since they started with this in the late 1930s).

    I had guessed at least a few (semi-)professional players had come from there. Surprisingly, wikipedia lists only one player. The website about 'famous' persons of the municipality, lists none.

    It becomes even more surprising: Zeist did give birth to a Major League Hall of Fame baseballer, who sometimes returned to Zeist and his parents country, and - as far as I know - used the facilities to train.
     
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  12. wm442433

    wm442433 Member+

    Sep 19, 2014
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Yeah, i thought it was Ruud Dil GULLIT.

    I first clicked the link to video in part 2 and thought it Was Gullit with his band during the first seconds. Very hallucinative

    I guess I already came across/heard/seen Fox the Fox as well as Renée but I'm really not that sure. Looks/sounds rather familiar though. Especially Renée finally.

    So, that's the third time in a row that I play Renée, at this moment... thanks a lot!

    ... fourth time.

    3) Mark Overmars, that was close to make 2
     
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  13. Ruben Bryson

    Ruben Bryson New Member

    Rangers
    Scotland
    Aug 15, 2021
    Hamilton, Scotland
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    In the 1986 World Cup, Uruguay were drawn into the same group as Denmark, Germany and Scotland. Uruguayan manager Omar Barras referred to this group as 'El grupo de la muerte' - 'The Group of Death'. This is where this phrase originates.
     
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  14. Buyo

    Buyo Member

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Dec 20, 2020
    The Chilean Elías Figueroa and the Mexican Hugo Sánchez are the only two players (that I know of) who have played three World Cups alternately. Figueroa did it in 1966, 1974 and 1982, while Hugo Sánchez participated in 1978, 1986 and 1994.

    Both players were also runners-up in the Copa América, Figueroa in 1979 when Chile lost to Paraguay and Sánchez was in 1993 when Mexico lost the final against Argentina.

    In any case, Hugo Sánchez did manage to win two championships with his team, the "CONCACAF Championship" in 1977 and the Pan American Games in 1975.

    In the IFFHS voting on the best players of the 20th century, carried out in 1999, both players were chosen the best players from their respective countries, Hugo being also chosen the best Concacaf player and Figueroa the best South American defender of the 20th century.

    Hugo Sánchez-México.jpeg

    Elías Figueroa.jpg
     
  15. Buyo

    Buyo Member

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Dec 20, 2020
    The Germans Uli Stielike, Rainer Bonhof and Manfred Kaltz are the only players in history who have played a final of the World Cup, the Eurocup, the European Cup, the Cup Winner's Cup and the Uefa Cup. .

    I put the list of the finals in which they participated (if they were in the squad but did not play, I do not put that match, such as the two Eurocups that Bonhof won in 1972 and 1980 since he did not play the final although he belonged to the squad).

    Stielike played the following (7 finals with 3 wins):

    - World Cup 1982: lost the final (West Germany 1-3 Italy)
    - Euro 1980: won the final (West Germany 2-1 Belgium)
    - European Cup 1977: lost the final (Borussia Mönchengladbach 1-3 Liverpool)
    - European Cup 1981: lost the final (Real Madrid 0-1 Liverpool)
    - Cup Winner's Cup 1983: lost the final (Real Madrid 1-2 Aberdeen)
    - Uefa Cup 1975: won the final (Borussia Mönchengladbach 0-0 and Twente 5-1)
    - Uefa Cup 1985: won the final (Real Madrid 3-0 and 0-1 Videoton)

    Bonhof played the following (6 finals with 3 wins):

    - World Cup 1972: won the final (West Germany 2-1 Netherlands)
    - Euro 1976: lost the final (West Germany 2-2 Czechoslovakia, lost on penalties)
    - European Cup 1977: lost the final (Borussia Mönchengladbach 1-3 Liverpool)
    - Cup Winners' Cup 1980: won the final (Valencia 0-0 Arsenal, won on penalties with the Spanish team)
    - Uefa Cup 1973: lost the final (Borussia Mönchengladbach 0-3 and Liverpool 2-0)
    - Uefa Cup 1975: won the final (Borussia Mönchengladbach 0-0 and Twente 5-1)

    Kaltz played the following (6 finals with 3 wins):

    - World Cup 1982: lost the final (West Germany 1-3 Italy)
    - Euro 1980: won the final (West Germany 2-1 Belgium)
    - European Cup 1980: lost the final (Hamburg 0-1 Nottingham Forest)
    - European Cup 1983: won the final (Hamburg 1-0 Juventus)
    - Cup Winners' Cup 1977: won the final (Hamburg 2-0 Anderlecht)
    - Uefa Cup 1982: lost the final (Hamburg 0-1 and Goteborg 0-3)
     
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  16. Buyo

    Buyo Member

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Dec 20, 2020
    1- MANAGERS CHAMPION OF THE SAME NATIONAL TEAM TOURNAMENT WITH TWO DIFFERENT COUNTRIES

    Copa America:

    - Guillermo Stabile: Argentina (1941, 1945, 1946, 1947, 1955) and Peru (1957)

    Gold Cup CONCACAF:
    - Bora Milutinovic:
    USA (1991) and Mexico (1996)

    Africa Cup:
    - Hervé Renard:
    Zambia (2012) and Ivory Coast (2015)

    Asian Cup:
    - Carlos Alberto Parreira:
    Kuwait (1980) and Saudi Arabia (1988)

    2- MANAGERS CHAMPION OF TWO DIFFERENT CONTINENTAL TOURNAMENTS

    Eurocup and African Cup:
    - Roger Lemerre:
    Eurocup (France, 2000) and Africa Cup (Tunisia, 2004)

    Copa America and Asian Cup:
    - Carlos Alberto Parreira:
    Asia Cup (Kuwait 1980; Saudi Arabia 1988) and Copa America (Brazil, 2004)

    3- MANAGERS CONTINENTAL CHAMPIONS OF NATIONAL TEAMS (IN ONE CONTINENT) AND WORLD CHAMPIONS

    Copa America and World Cup:
    - Mario Zagallo:
    World Cup (Brazil 1970) and Copa America (Brazil 1997)

    Eurocup and World Cup:
    - Helmut Schön:
    Eurocup (Germany 1972) and World Cup (Germany 1974)
    - Vicente del Bosque: World Cup (Spain 2010) and Eurocup (Spain 2012)

    4- MANAGERS CONTINENTAL CHAMPIONS OF NATIONAL TEAMS (IN TWO CONTINENT) AND WORLD CHAMPIONS

    Copa America, Asian Cup and World Cup:
    - Carlos Alberto Parreira:
    Asia Cup (Kuwait 1980; Saudi Arabia 1988), World Cup (Brazil 1994) and Copa America(Brazil, 2004)
     
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  17. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Hi, mate. Stábile's title with Perú is wrong.
    Anyways, a very good info for the most part.
     
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  18. Buyo

    Buyo Member

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Dec 20, 2020
    Right, I got it wrong, and I mistook the tournament venue for the tournament champion.

    Thank you mate.
     
  19. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Interesting to note some facts about the Hungarian World Cup squad in 1954 (and Golden Team generation in general)....
    1954 FIFA World Cup squads - Wikipedia

    The youngest member of the squad, Lajos Csordas, was also the one who passed away at the youngest age, but not the first one to pass away, as MTK Budapest's original 'deep-lying centre forward' (playing alongside Hidegkuti who played as an inside forward), Peter Palotas, died one year before.

    The last surviving member (but not the oldest when he died), Jozsef Toth, like Csordas, played for a team from Budapest with the name Vasas in the title, but a different one from the opposite end of the city, and they were the only players from each of those teams in the World Cup squad. Another player Bela Karpati, also played for a team with Vasas in the title, but not from Budapest, but was also the only player from his club (as was Buzanszky, the right back, who was the only one of the main first choice players of the Golden Team who played for a team outside Budapest - he's also sometimes cited as the last surviving Golden Team player, when only considering what is the main batch of players cited as belonging to it I suppose, but he indeed died at the oldest age). Two other players of the squad were also from a club nobody else in the squad was; one more from a non-Budapest club and the only one from Ferencvaros (the club of Gyorgy Sarosi and later Florian Albert for example, not contributing one main player of the Golden Team World Cup squad).

    Toth played vs England in the 1954 game, and also a couple of World Cup games, but was injured and unavailable for the final games, and in the Final, the unrelated Mihaly Toth played, with Czibor playing as right winger rather than left winger. Nevertheless, apparently it was Mihaly Toth who would have had an assist on Puskas's equalising goal, had it not been ruled out. Both players called Toth played vs Brazil in the QF. Jozsef Toth also played in various games in the golden period, and this one is a good example - getting a nice assist to Puskas, and a goal after switching wings with Czibor during the game it seems - the 2-0 vs Yugoslavia from 1955:
    Magyarország-Olaszország | 2-0 | 1955. 11. 27 | MLSZ TV Archív - YouTube

    Csordas had been a member of the 1952 Olympic Team, and also played a number of games in the golden period overall, but none in the 1954 World Cup. He scores two goals in this 5-1 win vs Czechoslovakia from 1953 for example (both assisted by Puskas - the 1-0 and 4-1 goals to begin and end the first half scoring):
    Csehszlovákia-Magyarország | 1-5 | 1953. 10. 04 | MLSZ TV Archív - YouTube
    Csehszlovákia-Magyarország | 1-5 | 1953. 10. 04 | MLSZ TV Archív - YouTube


    I guess this is a piece on Jozsef Toth when he was the last surviving player:
    Az Aranycsapat utolsó élő legendája! - YouTube
     
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  20. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Second youngest, actually, sorry, but youngest of the 1952 Olympics squad, and youngest of the World Cup squad to have played games for Hungary before the World Cup (Ferenc Machos who was younger, born earlier in the same year, didn't play any games in the World Cup either, but played alongside Kocsis and Puskas for Honved, but feasibly I think Csordas might still be called the youngest of the Magnificent Magyars Hungary National Team in terms of being a playing member of the squad as it developed).

    Csordas meanwhile did go on to play for the same Csepeli Vasas club that Jozsef Toth played for, but he joined after Toth had retired.

    Probably also cited as the last surviving member (after Grosics died) of the team which played in the 'Match of the Century' game vs England at Wembley in 1953. Jozsef Toth, like I said, played (and scored) in the return fixture in Budapest in 1954, but not in that 1953 game.
     
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  21. Buyo

    Buyo Member

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Dec 20, 2020
    #671 Buyo, Sep 24, 2021
    Last edited: Sep 24, 2021
    Independiente Avellaneda, the team with the most Libertadores Cups in history with 7, has had a cursed place in the city of Madrid when it comes to playing important titles.

    In the capital of Spain he lost two Intercontinental Cups and they were also two cups that for various reasons can be considered historical.

    The first was in 1964 when Independiente played the final against Inter Milan. In those years the final was played in a double game and the first was played in Argentina with Independiente 1-0 victory. The return played in Milan had Inter as the winner 2-0.

    As in those years, the goal difference was not taken into account, so it was necessary to play a tiebreaker match. And here comes the reason why this match is historic since for the first time an Intercontinental Cup final tiebreaker match was played on neutral ground. The chosen city was Madrid and the Santiago Bernabeu Stadium.

    A goal from Mario Corso in the 110th minute gave the Italians victory and left Independiente without what would have been their first Intercontinental Cup.

    The second time Independiente visited Madrid to play an Intercontinental Cup was in 1974 but this time they faced a team from the city, Atlético Madrid. In the first game in Argentina, Independiente won 1-0 and in the second game at the Vicente Calderón Stadium they lost 2-0. Curiously, these were exactly the same results that occurred 10 years before against Inter, but this time the goal difference rule was in force, which is why the Spanish were proclaimed Intercontinental champions for the first and only time in their history.

    And why is this match historic? It is because Atlético Madrid is the only team in history that has won the Intercontinental Cup without having previously been continental champion. This was possible because the European champion of that year, Bayern Munich, resigned to play the 1974 final and his position was filled by the Spanish.

    In any case, Independiente Avellaneda has at least one good memory of the city of Madrid even though it arrived in a friendly match and that is in 1953, in Alfredo di Stéfano's first season at Real Madrid, Independiente won at the Santiago Bernabeu (then still called Chamartín) by 0-6 to the Spanish team in what is one of the biggest defeats of Real Madrid at home (I only remember another equal result against Athletic Bilbao in La Liga 30/31, season in which the Basques they also got the biggest La Liga win by defeating FC Bacelona 12-1, a season in which they scored 4.06 goals per game (a record in the Spanish championship)).
     
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  22. Buyo

    Buyo Member

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Dec 20, 2020
    CHAMPION COACHES OF THE FIRST DIVISION / PREMIER LEAGUE

    The English first division has been played to date (not counting the current season) on 122 occasions.

    In the pre-Premier League era, 93 championships were disputed and the nationality of the champion coaches was as follows:

    - England: 65
    - Scotland: 27
    - Northern Ireland: 1

    In other words, during all the championships before the Premier Era, English coaches dominated, winning 70% of the championships and 100% of them were won by coaches from the United Kingdom.

    But from the 1992/93 season (the first Premier League in history) everything changes. Since then and until the 2020/21 season, 29 championships have been played and the nationality of the champion coaches was as follows:

    - Scotland: 14
    - Italy: 4
    - France: 3
    - Portugal: 3
    - Spain: 3
    - Chile: 1
    - Germany: 1
    - ENGLAND: 0 !!!!!!!!!

    The globalization of football has made more and more foreign coaches train in England and therefore may have options to be Premier champions but what is surprising is that in the entire Premier Era the English have NEVER won the league as coaches, something absolutely incredible.

    The last English coach to triumph in the competition, when it was still called the Football League First Division, was Howard Wilkinson who won the Leeds United championship in the 1991/92 season, amazing.
     
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  23. Buyo

    Buyo Member

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Dec 20, 2020
    WHO SCORED THE FIRST GOAL IN A WORLD CLASSIFICATION PHASE?

    The first world championship in history was played in 1930 in Uruguay, but the participating teams did not play a preliminary qualifying phase but instead entered the World Cup by invitation.

    Therefore, it was necessary to wait until the 1934 World Cup to see the first qualifying phase in history.

    The first match is played in Stockholm on June 11, 1933 and faces Sweden and Estonia. The Swedes prevail 6-2 and in the 7th minute of that match the first goal in the history of the qualifying phases of the World Cup was scored.

    And here the controversy arises, who scored that first goal?

    There are sources that say that it was Knut Kroon, Swedish striker of Helsingborgs IF (team with which he was 5 times league champion). With the Swedish National Team he was international 34 times and scored 18 goals. With his clubs he scored more than 300 goals in all competitions.

    But there are other sources that give that first goal to Evald Tipner, the Estonian goalkeeper, so it may be that the first goal in the history of the qualifying phases for the world cups was an own goal (what bad luck :D:D:D). Tipner has a rather curious sports history, the club of his life was Sport Tallin and with that team he won the Estonian championship 8 times. But the really striking:

    - is that he not only played as a goalkeeper but also as a forward, scoring at least 18 goals for his club.
    - Tipner was international 66 times with Estonia… in football.
    - Because it was also in Ice Hockey (one cap) and in Bandy (7 caps, Bandy is a kind of Ice Hockey but played with a ball and with 11 players per team).

    A very complete athlete Evald Tipner by the looks of it.

    But who scored that first goal, Kroon or Tipner, Tipner or Kroon? Today there is still controversy about it.
     
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  24. Buyo

    Buyo Member

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Dec 20, 2020
    CHAMPIONS LEAGUE, UEFA CUP AND CUP WINNERS CUP CHAMPIONS WITH DIFFERENT TEAMS

    Champions League


    - The first player in history to win the Champions League (then still called the European Cup) with two different teams was the Italian Saul Malatrasi who did it with Inter Milan in 1965 and with Milan in 1969. Malatrasi only played the final of 1969.

    - The first player in history to win the Champions League with two different teams and playing both finals was the Romanian Miodrag Belodedici who won the 1986 final with Steaua Bucharest and the 1991 final with Red Star Belgrade.

    Cup Winners Cup

    - The first players in history to win the Cup Winners Cup with two different teams were AGAIN the Italian Saul Malatrasi and the Swede Kurt Hamrin who did so with Fiorentina in 1961 and with Milan in 1968.

    - The first player in history who managed to win the Cup Winners Cup with two different teams and playing the two finals was the Swede Kurt Hamrin (Malatrasi did not play either of the two finals) who won the 1961 final with Fiorentina and that of 1968 with Milan. In addition, the Swede scored goals in both finals (1 in 1961 and 2 in 1968).

    Uefa Cup

    - The first players in history to win the Uefa Cup with two different teams were the English Ray Clemence and the Scottish Alan Brazil. Clemence won with Liverpool in 1973 and 1976 (playing both finals) and also with Tottenham Hotspur in 1984 (did not play the final). For his part, Alan Brazil won with Ipswich Town in 1981 (he played the final) and also with Tottenham Hotspur in 1984 (he did not play the final).

    - The first player in history to win the Uefa Cup with two different teams and playing both finals was the German Uli Stielike who won the 1975 final with Borussia Mönchengladbach and the 1985 final with Real Madrid.

    Finally note a curious fact that I did not know, the top winners of each of the previous competitions are Spanish players:

    - Champions League: Francisco Gento with 6 titles (56, 57, 58, 59, 60 and 66)
    - Cup Winners Cup: Francisco “Lobo” Carrasco with 3 titles (79, 82 and 89)
    - Europa Legue / Uefa Cup: José Antonio Reyes with 5 titles (10, 12, 14, 15 and 16)
     
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  25. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    he was the only player to win the EC with two different Eastern European team. He deflected to Yugoslavia and walked into Red Stars' office and identified himself.... they immediately signed him after discovering who he was. I could not imagine this happening in the modern world.
     
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