US women soccer players want equal pay to US men's team.

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  1. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Right. And now they are offering the same deal as the men and the women are crying foul. So why is that ?

    I agree with the concept that they've been "overpaying the men" , so now there is a chance to make them equal but possibly involves having the men decrease their share.
     
  2. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Non-profits aren't compelled to revenue share. You're confusing them with cooperatives. In the case of USSF a lot of the income from the NTs is spent on grass roots development.

    Anyway, if the women are paid the same $ per game as the men they would earn a lot more than the men as they play something like 50% more games. Which is fair enough. Plus given the women's pool of players is smaller and they win more games, so individual women may earn more than the men.
     
  3. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas
    Yes, why is that @juvechelsea ?

    The public is confused why the women don’t want equality…
     
  4. NietzscheIsDead

    NietzscheIsDead Member+

    NO WAR
    United States
    May 31, 2019
    NO WAR
    Why is this still a thing?

    We all saw the women humiliate themselves on this issue.

    Why are the bitter clingers still clinging on like there is something left for them in this?
     
  5. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    $60 million is a lot of money. The obvious source would be the revenue from the 2026 WC. It might be cheaper to break the women off $30 mill--their half of the 'equal pay'--to go away. But would USSF then be opening themselves up to lawsuits from older generations of USWNT players?
     
  6. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    its never going to happen and giving them half wouldn't just open ussf to more lawsuits from the past but in the future.

    the women would also be crazy to agree to half if ussf offered them half it would be more reason to go for all of it.
     
  7. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Unlikely because past generations agreed to CBAs.
     
  8. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So did this generation, and that hasn't stopped them.
     
  9. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think it did, according to the judge.
     
  10. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The fact that USSF is a non-profit has nothing to do with gender discrimination laws. The laws apply the same to both nonprofit and for-profit business entities alike, so I'm unsure as to why you keep repeating those points.
     
  11. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    all they need is the appeal judge to agree with them the first judge was just a show is all.
     
  12. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas






     
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  13. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's some women's logic going on here.

    Let's say under the new CBA, the men and women each get $5k in appearance money.

    The US men play about 18 matches a year, the women 27.

    Taking into account injuries, rest and squad rotation, let's say Cristian Pulisic plays 9 games. He makes $45k. Similarly Meghin Rapinoe plays 20 games, that's $100k.

    Then add win bonuses. $3k for a win, $1.5k for a draw.

    Pulisic plays in 5 wins, 2 draws and 2 losses. That's $18k. Rapinoe plays in 16 wins, 3 draws and one loss, that's $52.5k.

    So in a year Pulisic makes $63k and Rapinoe makes $152.5k.

    This is all without tournament bonuses.

    How can you say that's discriminatory against women?
     
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  14. SUDano

    SUDano Member+

    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    Where is all that money coming from if they paid the WNT the MNT world cup money even though USSF doesn't get that much money from FIFA. It would bankrupt USSF, but no one mentions its not even possible but they still claim sexism. You can't make this stuff up!
     
  15. SUDano

    SUDano Member+

    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    That's around $26M (3-0 group) for a tournament that pays out a total of $4M to the winner. Where is $22M coming from?
     
  16. SUDano

    SUDano Member+

    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    It's not!
     
  17. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Er...Covid.
     
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  18. SUDano

    SUDano Member+

    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    Nevermind. tried to delete after second thought. Not my best post.
     
  19. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For completeness the women played 8 games and the men 1 in 2020 before the Covid shutdown and 1 each in November.

    In 2021 the men have 21 fixtures and the women 24.

    So over two Covid hit years its women are 33 and men 23.
     
  20. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    No. The men only get a percentage of the WC prize. The prize in 2018 was $38 mil for the winner. The USMNT would have gotten around $9m for the title. In this case, around 23.5%. Nothing says that the prize must be that percentage amount. They could decrease it to an amount that they could afford.
     
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  21. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas
    That’s not accurate per @Beau Dure

    The WC prize money for the USMNT per their CBA accumulated each round. So the $9.375 mil would have been in addition to price money accumulated from previous rounds.
     
  22. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas
    I don’t appreciate how the USSF is super happy to leverage the men against the women here, either. Of all three parties (USSF, USWNTPlayers and USMNTPlayers) the men are the only ones who come off somewhat genuine, if not desperately naive.
     
  23. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    USSF should've communicated this way back in 2017 when the initial suit was filed, or right after the memo of understanding equalized the per-diems, which was the area of compensation that was unequal for no particularly good reason...
     
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  24. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The problem is the World Cup money
     
  25. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas
    Feel like a period of silence would be appreciated from USSF at this time…
     

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