Christian Pulisic at AC Milan

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  1. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    Why? I’m not a Chelsea fan. This isn’t the Chelsea forum.
     
  2. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Been rocking a grown ass beard for 8 years now.
     
  3. YankatOxford

    YankatOxford Member+

    Oct 15, 2007
    #49978 YankatOxford, Sep 18, 2021
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    Expected this for some time, but it looks like Pulisic, Sargent, Ream, Horvath, Steffen, Robinson may not be allowed to travel from their clubs for the next window, as Panama is under the "red" COVID status according to the UK government, which would require the players to quarantine on their return.

    https://www.espn.com/soccer/united-...qualifying-match-at-panama-over-uk-travel-ban
    Always the chance that FIFA and the UK reach an agreement before the October WCQs, but I'd say its 50/50 at best. Also, I'm not sure if the Championship or SPL clubs will take a different approach to the clubs in the Prem.
     
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  4. Eldinter

    Eldinter Member

    Jul 28, 2009
    Fort Wayne, IN
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    Good thing we have two home games. We can rotate for Panama if need be.
     
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  5. oscar_in_fw

    oscar_in_fw Member+

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    The USA should be able to deal with Panama with an all-MLS team (with competent management...)
     
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  6. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Then off to AC or Inter Milan he goes ;)
     
  7. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
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    #49982 EruditeHobo, Sep 18, 2021
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    Inter are out of the buying game. AC Milan are getting it together, but they are not going to be shopping in the top-tier category... they haven't brought themselves back by going after expensive individual assets with high wages, they are taking on lots of loans and shedding salary -- 3 of their top 4 earners left this past summer. If he moves it's going to be within the prem IMO. And if he leaves it's going to have to be because he wants starter minutes and probably is willing to take a pay cut to get those minutes.

    He's in a unique catch-22 type situation; to the really top teams (which can afford him) he probably isn't going to start, and yet teams for which he would be a nailed-on starter might find it difficult to spend the amount it would take to pay his transfer fee and sign him to a multi-year deal near this rate. On top of that he has to be unhappy at Chelsea to make the move... he just won the CL? They are right in the thick of the PL hunt this season. To me he evidence for the case that he isn't happy at Chelsea, or would want to leave at all, is very, very poor. If he's upset, it's probably in the form of frustration that he can't stay healthy.

    Does he go back to Dortmund after Haaland leaves? Perhaps... he's still expensive for them.
    Does he go to Liverpool after maybe Salah gets sold? Maybe... still, he makes a lot of money even for them. He breaks their wage structure a little bit, they aren't in the habit of spending decent fees AND giving 125k+ a week contracts.
    Does he go to Spurs after they sell Kane? Maybe? Feel like Chelsea would rather keep him than send him across town.
    United & City aren't in the market for him. Arsenal... who is signing for Arse these days?
    He could also easily play himself into starter contention over the next season or two at Chelsea...

    I think he probably stays put and plays out his Chelsea deal, honestly. Maybe makes a move with a year left? I just see no reason for them to want to sell him, and more importantly don't see a good reason for him to want to leave.

    He's worth more to Chelsea over the next few years as they try to win as much as possible than he is to them in terms of what he would fetch in the market. Makes more sense to keep him, a very talented player who contributes to one of their huge advantages over most other squads in the world -- attacking depth -- than to sell him just in order to not have that transfer value evaporate. Chelsea don't need the money, they won't be really impacted by him leaving for a lower fee with 1 year left... or even for free.
     
  8. Noriega7

    Noriega7 Member

    Newcastle United
    Dec 27, 2017
    If his injuries issues persist, I could see Chelsea getting annoy and sell him based on that alone to bring in a replacement that would be more available to play these matches.

    Right now, CP is the only real winger that can dribble past a defender consistently..Mount, Harvertz, CHO and Werner does not have that ability...So not having the dribbler as an option for selection may lead Chelsea to go buy one with less injury issues and sell CP for whatever.
     
  9. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Good players who want to play can find a way to do so. If they’d rather maximize their income, they can do that too. When those two conflict he might have a choice to make.
     
  10. golazo68

    golazo68 Member+

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    May 21, 2004
    Brazil
    Very good post.

    Chelsea F.C. 2021-22 Payroll Table | Spotrac

    Anyone know if this is accurate?

    There seemed to be a bit of personality conflict between Pulisic and Tuchel dating back to Dortmund days, but not enough that it can't be resolved or isn't getting resolved. Tuchel never deep-sixed him and did give him chances...which Pulisic 'kindof' took. He had some good games and some lame ones. Under Tuchel, though, he has not played at either the late October-December 2019 or June-July 2020 standard, in which he was world-class for a whole set of games in total- not just 1 here, 1 there..

    He's certainly not Tuchel's pet, but Tuchel also doesn't hate him either.

    I believe this is correct: Pulisic signed a 5 1/2 year contract in June 2019 and spent first 1/2 year on loan at Dortmund. He is now in his 3rd season. So I guess the whole 'should he stay or go' issue will hit the fan next year, increasingly, during the season.

    So yes, Pulisic should just focus on his play at the moment. If he can put together a full season more like June-July 2020 or event late October-December 2019....he'll have top suitors (like Madrid, PSG, and even a Man City) in a post-COVID world and a starting role possible there with big expectations and bigger money- or Chelsea will throw a lot more money his way.

    If his season is more like his other so-so' periods at Chelsea....I think he will either re-sign at Chelsea as a squad player (at possibly lower wages) or see his non-Chelsea options even become a step down in class (Tottenham type club) at maybe bigger wages and starting but significantly less shot at hardware.
    (but big expectations to get his club there)

    I don't see Dortmund as a possibility, but I could see him going to a Bayern Munich. (a la BM/Robben after his so-so period)

    This assumes revenue growth and amounts will continue to pre-COVID levels for the top clubs. Likely but certainly not a given.

    In the end, I agree with you that he probably stays at Chelsea, because I think he will come to 'an arrangement' with Tuchel and get enough minutes where he is settled, but not busting out in performance enough to warrant a Madrid bid.

    Chelsea will continue to win things.

    As well, as much as I want to believe Pulisic will become more consistent and play a couple full seasons at the Oct. 2019-Dec 2019 or June 2020-July 2021 performance levels, I don't know if he has it in him- partly because he never has developed ability to shoot outside the box and also I believe he has some tiny mechanical flaws in his dribbling which (my opinion) cap his growth there as well.

    I hope I'm wrong and maybe he can continue his growth as a player- it is certainly possible. It is up to him. But if I would have to wager, I don't think he gets there. (maybe in patches again) and therefore the poster is correct- he probably re-signs at Chelsea in 1 to 1 1/2 years from now
     
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  11. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

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    If he plays down his deal a bit more and Bayern view him as a deal, could they snap him up? It's possible. Bayern operate very surgically in the market, part of me has trouble figuring out who they are going to go for. But it's possible. But again, that wouldn't be for starter minutes and likely involves a paycut.

    Gini got a decent offer from Barca with 1 year to go on his LFC deal, and he wanted to go. LFC didn't sell. Because the fact was he was worth more to LFC than he was worth the 30M Barca were offering. So he played down the deal. I think that might be one of the more likely scenarios here, assuming CP wants to leave Chelsea.

    I'm not sure he wants to leave. He wants to get fit, get scoring goals, get playing some minutes, and probably try to contribute goals to a prem-winning side. I'd imagine.

    The Tuchel element is an interesting one, and there does seem to be some kind of conflict there. That is a good point, and definitely could impact things over the course of the next 18 months. Tuchel does clearly rate him, but he's said multiple times he has it stuck in his head or whatever that he's so good off the bench. Will be interesting to see if CP can get healthy and give himself a chance to play himself into something near starter-level minutes.
     
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  12. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    His two best games under Tuchel last season were games where he started: @ Palace and away at Real Madrid in the Champions.

    But out of 29 games under Tuchel for which he's been available, he's started 14 and been a sub in 15, so it's not like TT is only playing him as a sub.

    Also, Tuchel has always played him when he's been fit. I see no reason to think he's leaving.
     
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  13. RecLeague Super Sub

    Fulham
    United States
    Jun 5, 2019
    I think Bayern may always have a slight interest in Pulisic. They have never forgotten that performance he had vs them in his BvB days a few years back (a Bayern victory). You guys know the one I’m referring to - one of Pulisic’s best performances, in which he dribbled circles around them (and topped it off by Megging Arrjen Robben). Whenever one may doubt CP’s potential, that is a good video to go back and watch to remind you of his ability.
     
  14. RecLeague Super Sub

    Fulham
    United States
    Jun 5, 2019
    Spot on. Alleged ‘rifts’ between Pulisic and Tuchel are exaggerated. My evidence? Tuchel plays him in crucial situations, even though he may not always start him.
    is Pulisic always happy to come off the bench? No, motivated players don’t like that.
    But Tuchel does starts him in occasionally in big matches, and even when he does not, TT usually subs him in first in matches, winning/losing/or drawing. This says to me that Tuchel trusts him to do a job. Sometimes that is just holding possession, and sometimes it is to put the defense off-balance
     
  15. hocbz

    hocbz Member

    Feb 15, 2016
    Arsenal is honestly a more likely destination than spurs. I am an arsenal fan, to be completely transparent,but I genuinely believe we are in a better place going forward than spurs is if we get a better manager and they almost certainly lose Kane soon. The squad is young and has a lot of talent. Arsenal has more money than most teams in the premier league and could afford him. Not sure if they are interested but I wouldn’t say he is too good for them either. The club still carries a fair level of prestige. Chelsea seem much more open to dealing with arsenal than other clubs.
     
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  16. glutton4Bolts

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    Mar 18, 2019
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    I kind of like the idea of CP heading to Arsenal... with the big IF... they get a high-quality manager. They are chalk full of young talent and I could see CP as the center-piece. Would love to see him get a chance to be a leader and also get a shot to play ACM.
     
  17. hocbz

    hocbz Member

    Feb 15, 2016
    i doubt he would play attacking mid over smith Rowe or most certainly Odegaard. But he’s an upgrade over pepe.
     
  18. chrisdon72

    chrisdon72 Member

    Feb 23, 2000
    I kind of like where Pulisic is now: Playing a lot in the PL and winning the freaking champions league. He's not going to play for the big two trophies at Arsenal.
     
  19. DCU1984

    DCU1984 Member+

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    Mount watch. Just botched an easy pass to Lukaku on the break.
     
  20. FC Tallavana

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    And then scuffed the shot off the return pass. Havertz also whiffed on a volley attempt. Chelsea look dangerous on the counter, but they need to get Lukaku on the end of some of these chances.
     
  21. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
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    #49996 Cris 09, Sep 19, 2021
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    Bayen doesn't buy players off a single match performance so I'm gonna say, they have forgotten. I also don't think Bayern are buying players by watching old videos from 3 years ago, but players in current form instead. They would more likely poach a player that made waves the previous season to "weaken" a team that may challenge them while "strengthening" their own squad. We have seen it season after season with Leverkusen, Dortmund, Leipzig... They are probably looking closely at Florian Wirtz, knowing how they operate as a club.

    That said, I would not say Bayern aren't looking (haven't heard anything) at Pulisic, just not convince it is for the reasons you said.
     
  22. FC Tallavana

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    Havertz has been worse than Mount so far. And Mount has not been good.
     
  23. DCU1984

    DCU1984 Member+

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    I really don't understand why people are talking about a transfer. He'll get playing time if he can stay healthy.

    He started the only league game he could and scored a goal.
     
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  24. FC Tallavana

    FC Tallavana Member+

    Jul 1, 2004
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    Kante for Mount at HT. Wow. I wonder what Lukaku thinks about that sub, considering he got zero service in the first half and there is now 0.5 less attackers on the field. But Tuche's luck holds and Silva scores on a corner served up by Alonso. I guess defense is the best offense for Chelsea.
     
  25. Method

    Method Member

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    Aug 20, 2018
    Man Chelsea are boring as hell. Just play all defenders at this point
     

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