Yanks on Foreign YNTs ('01-'04 YOBs and younger)

Mexico knows which players to recruit. USSF has to do a good job with the next crop. Leone and E. Ochoa are both very good prospects, even if they aren’t Gomez and Pepi.

 

'05

 

'03 in camp with the Hungarian u19s.
http://westonfc.org/dominic-pinter-invited-to-hungarian-national-team-training-camp/

 

Emmanuel Ochoa (already mentioned of course) and Edwin Avalos are also American.

 

Oisin McEntee starts for Ireland's U21s:

STARTING XI | 🇱🇺🇮🇪

3 changes to the #IRLU21 side that beat Bosnia

Jim Crawford hands U21 debuts to Joel Bagan, Dawson Devoy and Evan Ferguson ☘️

⌚️KO at 3pm (Irish time)#COYBIG | #WeAreOne | #LUXIRL pic.twitter.com/JoHYkBFop5

— Ireland Football ⚽️🇮🇪 (@IrelandFootball) September 7, 2021

 

As @Luksarus mentioned elsewhere, Cole Campbell (‘06) played for the Icelandic U-17’s recently and scored a goal against Finland U-17’s.

https://www.transfermarkt.us/cole-campbell/nationalmannschaft/spieler/866579

 

Anrie Chase in some training footage for a Japan U-20 camp. You can pick him out with the blue #12 vest and the afro - big frame, moves well.

 

Puerto Rico u20 squad for a camp next month

📋 @bMediaGroup presenta la convocatoria oficial del DT @DaveSarachan rumbo a la participación del @HuracanAzulPR 🇵🇷 Sub-20 Masculino en las Clasificatorias CONCACAF 2021 de esta categoría en noviembre próximo. pic.twitter.com/lv1PlHr7mO

— Selecciones Nacionales de Puerto Rico (@HuracanAzulPR) September 14, 2021

'03 Wilfredo Rivera is permanently tied to Puerto Rico.

 

Are 80% of their players American? Thats what it looks like to me.

I don't find this good for CONCACAF and I don't find this good for our program. I think it leads to a lack of exciting games for us if all these CONCACAF countries are just going to become 50%+ ethnic-versions of the USMNT. Countries like France and England have substantially high percentage ethnic-versions of their national teams in some other countries, but they also aren't facing those teams in competition regularly.

I don't find it good for CONCACAF that El Salvador's two best players are Eriq Zavaleta and Alex Roldan, two players who weren't good enough for the USMNT. How can you create rivalries and challenges for your team when you know that the opposing players are American players that weren't good enough for the USMNT? Does anyone believe the USMNT players have animosity towards Zavaleta and Roldan? No, of course not. Those guys probably root for the USMNT anyway in any game that doesn't involve El Salvador, and we know they wish they played for the USMNT.

It's hard for fans either in a situation like that to view opposing players as villains that are Americans that weren't good enough for the USMNT. The only guys it's easy to root against are the players that preferred to represent another flag (Ochoa, Alvarez, etc.). How can you root against the guys that wanted to play for us, weren't good enough, and are taking advantage of a FIFA rule that will benefit their careers and represent their family heritage?

I hope we join CONMEBOL within the next five years because I don't think this is good for our program.

 

They are Puerto Rican. They are 100% American.

If there could be a negative chance of something occurring, I'd use that. As it is, I will have to settle for 0% chance. It ain't happening.

Yes, it may be somewhat inevitable that other countries in CONCACAF have a heavy bent of [insert country here]-American. It's not necessarily likely to get as high as Puerto Rico, though.

There are 3 million Jamaicans and one million Jamaican-Americans.
There are 6 million Salvadorans and 2 million Salvadoran-Americans.

Those are two of the bigger percentages of the larger countries, barring Puerto Rico, which is, of course, literally an American territory.

Honduras, for example, has about 9 million Hondurans in Honduras and under 1 million Honduran Americans. Costa Rica has a pop of 5 million but only about 100,000 Costa Rican-Americans, so far fewer.

(There are about 35 million Mexican Americans but 120 million Mexicans, again a high percentage.)

If 1/4 to 1/5th of your potential population base lives in the US, you're going to have a presence. Is it going to be over 50%? Likely not, except for Puerto Rico, which is, of course, a territory.

 

This is a weird rant. Did you have a couple of beers before you posted this?

Every Puerto Rican is USMNT eligible by definition. Doesn't matter whether they're born in Puerto Rico or the 50 states. They're American citizens. And of course there are a ton of folks eligible for Puerto Rico living in the states. There are more people that identify themselves as Puerto Rican living in New York than in Puerto Rico.

I sorta think of it as England/Scotland/Wales/Northern Ireland and how many players are eligible for both England and another one. They're so intertwined.

Puerto Rico just haven't done a particularly good job convincing difference making players to commit to them as opposed to waiting for the USMNT opportunity. If they were closer to making a Gold Cup or later WCQing rounds, maybe it would be different. If they could just get on a little bit of a roll...............

Brandon Servania, for instance, seems to be waiting and waiting to see if the USMNT will come back for him. He could have switched to Puerto Rico a while ago.

We have to expect as we build and build and build our pool, for nations like El Salvador, etc. to get our run-off. Same way that it happens to European powers. Or how nations like Paraguay get players from Argentina, etc. Its neither good nor bad. Just reality. We can only include so many players, and the rest will be looking for opportunities.

 

I'd love for it to happen, but I don't think logistically it's very doable for the US to be part of CONMEBOL. Just the travel would be too much. Just imagine the US playing a qualifier and then having to get on a plane to get on a road qualifier against a Uruguay. I'd settle for getting invited to the 2024 Copa America.

 

Actually, not all PR players are USMNT-eligible. There is a special FIFA rule for those FAs that share citizenship.

Player has to have been born in the US proper (not a US territory) or their parent or grandparent born in US proper or lived 5 consecutive years (used to be 2) in US proper.

Used to be that a US passport was all it took either direction. Once PR fielded a team of US players because the PR players were not available.

 

Point taken about England/Scotland/Ireland. I did not think of that, and it's a good point. I can't argue that. I don't think its good though for football in the British Isles.

I think my larger point is that I don't see the benefit for us or CONCACAF when these countries use such a large percentage of players who are born in the US, grew up in the United States, and are playing in US academies. I'm not contesting Puerto Rico's relationship to the USA or what the Puerto Rican federation is doing, so all of that is irrelevant.

I'm not even getting to that we are losing viable players who could be second, third, fourth team players that may be needed eventually for our youth teams or senior team. We will be able to keep almost all our best players eligible for other CONCACAF countries. I am talking about from a competition perspective. I don't see any significant benefit from such a large percentage of US players populating the national teams of other countries.

We know the percentage will become greater and greater. As that Puerto Rico roster shows, almost all their best players are not born and raised in Puerto Rico. Almost all of them are born and raised in the US with a Puerto-Rican parent (or two). Do you not think it's going to eventually be the same thing for El Salvador, Dominican Republic, Cuba, Guatemala? I'd be willing to bet that if El Salvador had their pick of any eligible U-18 or U-19 players they want, half of their team would come from the Virginia area. The same might be true of Cuba's best eligible team of U-18 or U-19 players in South Florida. The four best players eligible for Guatemala are the Roldan brothers, Rubio Rubin, and Aaron Herrera. Do you not think it will be similar for Jamaica, Trinidad, or Haiti?

It's true that Jamaica could probably come up with a better team of Jamaican-Brits than Jamaican-American's (because England produces better players than us), and there aren't enough kids in the US eligible for countries like Costa Rica, Panama, Honduras (compared to the level of players they produce) to have more than the occasional American-produced player or two play for their NT's yet, but we know where this is going. In five years, I will be surprised if 25% of the players at the Gold Cup are not American-produced players, and the number may eventually creep higher and higher as we get better. I don't see how thats good for us or the region. It hurts competitive spirit and it allows those countries to ignore producing their own players.

Thats why I want us in CONMEBOL. If this is going to get worse and worse over the years, I'd prefer we not be facing these teams.

 

This is true for every country with a large overseas diaspora, especially but not limited to those with developing economies. It's not like Guatemala is going to be become wealthier and larger overnight in any case, Alex Roldán turning out for their NT isn't coming at the expense of some magical transformation in their domestic development pipeline which would happen in the absence of his ilk.

As far as the USMNT is concerned, it's probably better if the smaller teams in CONCACAF can quickly get up to at least an MLS standard. Having to fly all the way down to South America for every international week just isn't great for anyone, especially if most of our players are flying cross-continent on a weekly basis (MLS) or playing multiple matches a week (UEFA club competitions).

 

It’s mostly funny Puerto Rico is having YNT camps and we aren’t.

 

RSL academy keeper Fernando Delgado will be in the upcoming Mexico U17 camp for '06s.

 

Not a lot available about him, but Fidel Barajas of the Earthquakes is in the same camp:

https://miseleccion.mx/noticias/3660/La Selección Nacional de México Sub-17 inició concentración

 

El Salvador vs Guatemala international friendly tonight. Sounds like Hugo Perez will roll with several young guys. Both keepers on the roster are under 18. Damian Alguera 04 may start. 03s Rios and Garay are on the roster as well.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CUONfljrmug/?utm_medium=share_sheet

 

The lineup:

#Deportes: Esta es la alineación de @LaSelecta_SLV para el encuentro de esta noche 🆚 Guatemala.#SelectaMayor pic.twitter.com/kjIISrInqC

— La Tribu FM (@SomosLaTribuFM) September 24, 2021

 

Sanogo called up for 1 of 2 U18 camps for October 2021.
https://www.dfb.de/fileadmin/_dfbdam/247624-Nominierung_U18_Sichtungslehrgang_I_(1).pdf

 

Sanogo said right before COVID started that he wanted to play for the USA, he gets invited to a camp that gets cancelled due to COVID, and now he’s decided he would rather play for Germany. I have a hard time believing USSF didn’t invite him to our October camp.

It’s his decision to make and not anyone’s to critique, but this whole timeline does seem a little strange. Maybe when he said he wanted to play for the USA that was a ploy to drive up the interest for Germany, it might’ve been he changed his mind without ever getting to a US camp, or he may still be undecided. Any explanation, USSF are obviously the big losers with this.

This lawsuit by the women’s national team against the federation has handicapped our YNT’s to a great extent, and we will undoubtedly lose many players due to the lack of YNT camps. We’ve already lost players like Reyes and Rivera due to it most likely.

 

Don't think Sanogo ever decided. He always said from Germany, USA and Ivory Coast that he didn't make any final decision on who to play for.

you also have to take into account "laziness". Fly over just for USA camp or just do camp in Germany?

also believe it was said that he didn't have German passport for long time might have gotten it in that period, who knows.

On another note saw mention that Mansour Ouro-Tagba applied for German passport and should get it in 2022.

 

This is what I was referring to. This isn’t an American publication either, so there’s no reason to pander to them.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.re...next_season_i_want_to_make_my_debut_with_the/