Spaghetti Weston: McKennie at Juventus

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  1. PassionOfTheFoot

    Feb 12, 2002
    Incheon, South Korea
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Rules. Dont break them, son.
     
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  2. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    Not just that, he risked his teammates availability for club and country.

    The delta variant is ripping through Tennesse like wildfire. They actually hit their all time high for hospitalization - higher than the bad winter spike.

    Yes vaccination is hugely protective but it’s not perfect. Just ask Pulisic and Steffen.

    So it’s not just the breaking of rules, it’s putting your teammates at risk
     
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  3. wynaldaisagod

    wynaldaisagod Member+

    Ajax
    United States
    Aug 9, 2019
    The truth of the matter is McKennie might be finished at Juve. He's no where close to a good enough player to do this stuff AND get away with it.

    If he was a top starter there, they'd probably let it slide or give him a slap on the wrist.

    Hopefully he can at least train or something to stay somewhat fit. Not having him play at all until the January window would be a killer for the US.
     
  4. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

    Real Madrid, DC United, anywhere Pulisic plays
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's it in a nutshell. It is not farfetched to say he may never play for Berhalter again. Of course Berhalter may not coach after tomorrow. ;)
     
  5. Tigerpunk

    Tigerpunk Member+

    Jun 17, 2004
    I'm very curious what "the group has moved on" means bc if it's "from McKennie" he may just be done with the usmnt.

    Edit: this is hopeful:

     
  6. wynaldaisagod

    wynaldaisagod Member+

    Ajax
    United States
    Aug 9, 2019
    For life? No way. But I would not be shocked if he's done until 2022. That seems fair --especially if he's not playing club matches.
     
  7. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
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  8. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    Berhalter is the type of manager I love to have in these situations. If he could improve his tactical stuff by like 25-30% he’d be a perfect coach for this group, which is so young and inexperienced.

     
  9. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The point really is, there’s rules for a reason in a team environment. There’s a responsibility to the team and the cause.

    Chances are McKennie didn’t get infected. That reportedly he trained with Juve shows that.

    But what if all 26 players decide to do the same. Then that small risk of getting COVID skyrockets. And that threatens careers and large sums of money, which the clubs are paying these guys. That impacts players, clubs, families, health, etc.
     
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  10. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

    Real Madrid, DC United, anywhere Pulisic plays
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Johns Hopkins. One man. One name.
     
  11. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

    Real Madrid, DC United, anywhere Pulisic plays
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Berhalter is part camp counselor, part Pep Guardiola.
     
  12. neems

    neems Member+

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Apr 14, 2009
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sorry, that would be my mobile device. Thanks for catching that though.
     
  13. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    I’m personally all about redemption, and rising in the face of adversity.

    wes is hitting a cross roads here. Time to see who he really is
     
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  14. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Weren't they always? The only difference is whether they do it as soon as January or as late as June. Hopefully he can turn things around and use this as motivation to do so.
     
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  15. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    And he was punished for it.
    Time to move on folks!
     
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  16. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    There's no way he'd be dumped from the NT short of him admitting to murder on Instagram.
     
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  17. golazo68

    golazo68 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 21, 2004
    Brazil
    No one is disputing Weston made an idiotic decision. No one is disputing that McKennie caused this situation. No one is disputing he deserves punishment

    But I'm pretty shocked how so many posters believe the current solution is (and was) the only way to handle this, and that this solution has been in the best interest for the team and player

    - You want to punish him for more than 1 game? Why does that 2nd game punishment need to be immediate? Why couldn't that be in the future and let
    him play Honduras. Does it really matter when the 2 game punishment takes place now? You think his teammates are going to underperform in Honduras in any way as a result of Weston is punished to miss a November game vs. now? Really?

    If they underperform in Honduras, it will be due to Berhalter tactics or lack of substitutions...not McKennie getting a 2nd future game sentence and playing

    - You are worried about the tiny chance that he could spread COVID to the team? Ok, you could have had him train separately and travel separately this week. You could have him take a test when he arrives in Honduras. And the odds would be 98+ % or greater he would not test positive, nor his teammates because of his actions. I would take the 98%+ over less than 2% any day.

    - You want to deter him from doing this in the future? But you do not think his apologize to his teammates, his remorse, later punishment and realizing the potential effect on his career would already be a strong deterrent? That it would not sink in to him how close he came to potentially wrecking his career in the coming weeks? Well, now we put the nail in that coffin already. For what....just a slight increase in odds that he will never do this again?

    - You think 'going by the rules' and making an example of Weston will make the players respect Berhalter more and (crucially) this will translate into better play? Really?

    I do think they will play better in Honduras (just 'cause they are due for a decent game after 2 stinkers) but it won't be because McKinnie is not there and that he got punished 'by the book'

    - Look at the absolute nuclear situation he walks into at Juventus now. Was this really necessary? (the fuel to fire with USMNT's PR approach). The player could not be taught a lesson differently and more quietly versus such a public flogging by USMNT. It could not be finessed so that the most ugly screaming Italian headlines could have avoided?

    Sure you can 'go by the book' and send the kid home....and technically that is within the rights of USSF ....but what have you really accomplished for the team and player? Are you net positive or net negative in this situation? That's the bottom line.

    Even in our legal system we provide guidance for judges but lots of flexibility based on a tons of factors what is best for society and the individual who transgresses.

    I find USSF/Berhalter approach totally unimaginative and it has created the worst possible short-medium-long-term outcome for the team as well as player.

    Some simple finessing of the situation by my examples (or some variation thereof) could have fulfilled the 'punishment fits crime' objective, kept the spirit of the rule, allowed us to field our best team in Honduras and not nuked this kid's career.

    And the nuclear approach will have a long, long tail...Just one example being: if McKennie is now in the doghouse and not playing minutes at Juventus, it will definitely affect his ability to help us in November as well. We could have delayed the 2nd game punishment (and not publicized this) until things died down and McKennie got some games in at Juventus in September/October, and potentially played good/great in Honduras and the PR spin would be materially different in Italy on this, the US team would have been able to move on etc etc.
     
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  18. golazo68

    golazo68 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 21, 2004
    Brazil
    Yes, delta variant ripping through Tennessee, but apparently its ok to have 40,000 people watch by the same organization that threw the book at Wes for his decision-making.

    Do you really think his teammates would underperform or think they had a free pass to take COVID risks if Wes got, say, a suspended 2nd game later in the cycle as punishment? I certainly don't
     
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  19. chrisdon72

    chrisdon72 Member

    Feb 23, 2000
    Agree. And it's nobody's place to "gatekeep" if she wants to rent her girl parts by the hour. .
     
  20. felloveranddidanadu

    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Dec 12, 2009
    Club:
    San Jose Frogs
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As they should. It reminds me of a girlfriend I had who, despite her flaws (and mine), was very, very beautiful. It was fun and exciting but eventually things got to a point where it was "you're not nearly beautiful enough for this" and we moved on.
     
  21. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Still one of my fave NT players. But getting him out was the right thing to do. At some point even his fans are going to stop giving him chances.
     
  22. chrisdon72

    chrisdon72 Member

    Feb 23, 2000
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    What a loss; the days of irreverence, lampoon, dark humor and "I may not agree with what you say but I'll go to battle to insure you have the right to say it" appear to be distant memories. When did ya'll start taking yourselves so seriously?[/QUOTE]

    We're 20 years older now. Old farts are not known for irreverence and humor.
     
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  23. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Weston will absolutely be back with the USMNT.

    The talk of him being the next captain of the USMNT might become a lot quieter
     
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  24. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Don't you also enjoy a tale of redemption?

    Wes has in it him to win us all back.
     
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  25. Centennial

    Centennial Member+

    Apr 4, 2003
    Centennial
    Wes will be CAPTAIN AMERICA!!! We will all sing his praises!!!
     
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