The Ocho

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Patrick167, Jul 27, 2020.

  1. Master O

    Master O Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What do those percentages mean?
     
  2. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #902 RefIADad, Sep 7, 2021
    Last edited: Sep 7, 2021
    Yet Mexico still got a road win, defying the "CONCACAF roads gamez iz really, really hard" narrative being pushed by the defenders right now.
     
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  3. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    20 - 291, 61.2%/35.4%/3.4%

    The simulation has the US get 20 points 291 times out of 10000. Of those 291 runs, they finished top 3 61.2% of the time, 4th 35.4% and 5-8th 3.4%
     
  4. Ironbound

    Ironbound Member+

    Jul 1, 2009
    Mexico always seems to win in Costa Rica while often losing in Honduras. We always lose at Costa Rica and usually win or draw in Honduras.

    Qualifying is weird.
     
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  5. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I mean Mexico won a game 1-0 where their goal came on a penalty kick and where Costa Rica hit the post in stoppage time at the end of the game. And this is against a Costa Rica team that seems down compared to their typical standard. Mexico is grinding out hard wins but the games certainly have been easy for them and they could very easily also be on two points right now.
     
  6. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    In other Ocho news that's very relevant when it comes to Canada as they are a very different team if they don't have Davies.
     
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  7. jagum

    jagum Member

    CF Montreal
    Venezuela
    Jun 20, 2007
    Panama City, Panama
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    Venezuela
    In fact Canada played very well in the last Gold Cup without Davies. On the other hand, El Salvador has played with the same squad without much rotation and they may experience fatigue in those 90 minutes in Toronto.
     
  8. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I mean if we've learned anything from the first couple games of qualifying, its that the Gold Cup doesn't really mean much when it comes to these games. Look at the US. Canada definitely has a solid team without Davies but the guy is an absolute game changer who is one of the best in the world at his position. If he hadn't been playing for Canada against the US, I think the US would have won that game.

    It's a massive massive loss for Canada ahead of game they really need to win. It doesn't mean that they won't win, just that its going to be way harder.
     
  9. Reccossu

    Reccossu Member+

    Jan 31, 2005
    Birmingham
    In my discount sim, the US has dropped now to a 78% chance of direct qualification and 11% chance of being in the playoff. Honduras is clearly a prime rival, so this next game is (obviously) important.
     
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  10. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    I like the way Herdman is managing Fonz' minutes. I wish we would do more of that.
     
  11. Reccossu

    Reccossu Member+

    Jan 31, 2005
    Birmingham
    Delta Elo table after two games, in case that is interesting to anyone

    Panama -- _____+46
    Honduras -- ____+15
    Mexico -- ______+14
    El Salvador --___+11
    Canada -- ______+ 0
    Costa Rica --____- 10
    U.S. ---_________- 33
    Jamaica ---_____- 50
     
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  12. Southern Man

    Southern Man Member

    Jun 14, 2008
    Thank you for doing these, I find them enormously useful.
     
  13. nycfc919

    nycfc919 Member+

    Aug 17, 2015
    Do we root for a draw in El Salvador - Canada? And hold our noses and root for Mexico to beat Panama?
     
  14. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think any draw at the moment is a good result for the us from the other six teams.
     
  15. nycfc919

    nycfc919 Member+

    Aug 17, 2015
    Canada immediately bangs one in
     
  16. DaniChandler

    DaniChandler Member

    Jun 9, 2013
    Panama Canal
    Club:
    Cruzeiro Belo Horizonte
    Nat'l Team:
    Panama
    Canada is dinning the Salvadorans in 10 minutes

    2-0
     
  17. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And a second.

    El Salvador seems rattled. This already feels like a game that’s going to end with a big Canada victory.
     
  18. DaniChandler

    DaniChandler Member

    Jun 9, 2013
    Panama Canal
    Club:
    Cruzeiro Belo Horizonte
    Nat'l Team:
    Panama
    Yep I feel these vibes too, forecasting more than 4 for canucks
     
  19. nycfc919

    nycfc919 Member+

    Aug 17, 2015
    Canada didn’t put many mins on Buchanon and David against us and now they’re unleashed at home against ES. Good management.
     
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  20. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Welp, this Honduras game for the US is looming larger and larger.
     
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  21. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think El Salvador also hasn’t done much rotating at all and who knows how fatigued their players are.
     
  22. largegarlic

    largegarlic Member+

    Jul 2, 2007
    Not watching the game, but I think it's a decent possibility that El Salvador will routinely get smoked on the road. There really is a big talent gap between them and pretty much everyone else in the Ocho, and if they don't have that home crowd giving them superhuman energy, that talent gap will show.
     
  23. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This feels like it’s going to end like the 6-0 game the US had against Honduras last cycle.
     
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  24. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I just generally also feel like they are really going to struggle in the third game of these windows. They don’t have much depth and by game three your players have got to be exhausted.
     
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  25. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Canada is having no problem murdering El Salvador tonight.
     

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