Post-match: USA vs Canada 9/6/21

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by tomásbernal, Sep 5, 2021.

  1. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He played well defensively but he also stopped one of our breakaways with that stupid and unnecessary foul/yellow card.
     
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  2. lynne

    lynne Member+

    Oct 11, 2003
    Pulisic is 22.
    Brooks is
    Yedlin is
    Acosta is
    Lletget is
    Ream is
    Agree with this. Just checked to make sure Jozy Altidore hadn't retired -- he hasn't. Not that he was ever that great for the USNT, but at least he'd be enthused, and has been there and done that. Pick your other older/wiser player.
     
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  3. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I mean there was no October camp period, so I don’t know how one can complain that somehow MLS players were getting favored over Euro players for a non-existent camp. And these calls are hard when it comes to COVID and I’m going to give them leeway if they say the couldn’t do it in October.

    Since that point we’ve had camps in pretty much every window, during which we’ve called up almost entirely Euro players, including many of the fringe players like Green, LDLT, and EPB. These camps had basically no MLS players.

    We had December and January camps because we could and there was no harm in doing so. And it was a good opportunity to get players Turner, Robinson, and Acosta in the picture. All of whom have been helpful/useful.

    However. I’m certainly not defending calling up Yueill for Honduras. That’s just a bad call by Berhalter.
     
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  4. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    What are you talking about? They never considered an October camp in Europe. The plan was to have a domestic camp in January and a euro based camp in November. Stop and think about that. The US was one of the worst places to try and have a camp at that time. The failure to have a camp in the US didn't effect the euro based players at all.

    The point is really simple. The plan was wrong and a Euro based camp was possible. The prioritized MLS players over the ones in Europe who make up the majority of our team.
     
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  5. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    No you didn’t. You said that reflected my lowered expectations of the team. It clearly doesn’t. Others on this thread have called you out for your misinterpretation. You should stop now.
     
  6. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

    May 27, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I'm not defending it, but who are you going to call for an away game on two days notice.

    You can't really call someone from Europe. In terms of MLS, you would choose the person who understands your "system".
     
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  7. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But you do need a backup right back. And both Duncan and Herrera have been in camps so it’s not like they are unfamiliar with the system. Ferreira too.

    Adams has already played 180 minutes this week, Yedlin played most of both games, and who knows how long Pulisic will be able to go for. We’re definitely going to need to have good options off the bench for this one.

    We already have three players who can play the six in camp, so not sure why Yueill would be the one we call up.
     
  8. juveeer

    juveeer Member+

    Aug 3, 2006
    LOL.

    Numerous posters about to "loose" their minds!
     
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  9. yankthisyank'swank

    Oct 13, 2010
    Bet halter is at least somewhat responsible for McKinney’s absence. He is the head coach of this team, and as such, it’s his responsibility to manage these players.
     
  10. theboogeyman

    theboogeyman Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    Sorry man, but that’s BS. Mckennie is 23, not 12. He’s an adult, and has had issues at Juventus too. It’s on him to act like a professional. Nobody else seems to be having problems in that regard.
     
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  11. nbarbour

    nbarbour Member+

    Jun 19, 2006
    Washington DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There are many folks that when the roster was announced criticized Berhalter for not bringing a deeper bench, specifically CMs and a wing replacement for Weah. This was a known issue ahead of time.
     
  12. yankthisyank'swank

    Oct 13, 2010
    You may disagree with me, but my opinion matters just as much as yours (both are quite meaningless).

    I don’t care what anyone says: it’s a coach’s job to get the best players on the field. Nip BS in the bud and build solid relationships and this stuff doesn’t happen.
     
  13. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe OGSUSA should have called more than 26 players.

    Maybe he should have called in other positions and fewer than six center backs.

    Maybe he should have called in guys like Hoppe who had played well in previous events.

    This is such a s***show right now. OGSUSA completely fouled this up.
     
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  14. theboogeyman

    theboogeyman Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    But Mckennie has had problems at Juventus too, where he spends a lot more time with the national team. Are you going to blame them too? When and where does personal accountability come into play? I could see your point if this was a recurring problem with multiple young players at camp when they weren’t having any issues at their clubs, but it’s only a problem with Mckennie, and it seems to follow him around wherever he is.
     
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  15. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    Bad bad bad. This is all bad
     
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  16. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Next time Berhalter needs to room with McKennie. Obviously!
     
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  17. Karl K

    Karl K Member

    Oct 25, 1999
    Suburban Chicago
    You know I missed Big Soccer -- I missed
    the no context superficial insights,
    the idiotic conclusion jumping,
    the indiscriminate invective against our coaches (remember the preposterous nepotism charges, all you old timers?)​
    And...
    the self-congratulatory back patting when pre-game guesses turned out to be right but the strange silence when they turned out to be wrong.​

    Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

    That famous French statement applies to you, as well as PSG in the Champion's League, among others. I bet PSG fans feel the pain more than you.

    Relax, Bob's going to stay right where he is (though unlike our current coach he actually has coached a team through qualification successfully, in case you forgot).

    As I said, if you read carefully, we have tons more talent than we have ever had. That doesn't make our pool perfect, But we could easily go 8-2-2 the rest of the way with this group and sail through.

    On the other hand, at the end of the October round, we could be sitting on 7 points. It's not outside the realm of possibility. If that's the case, I am going to put on my Internet protective gear before logging in because this place could completely explode.
     
  18. yankthisyank'swank

    Oct 13, 2010
    Yes, blame is shared by all involved, Juventus staff, too. Big time managers can deal with big time players, and McKinney has a big of an ego as anyone.
     
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  19. yankthisyank'swank

    Oct 13, 2010
    If the players like their coaches enough, they’ll do what’s right. I like your joke though.
     
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  20. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’m no fan of Berhalter (aka OGSUSA), but to blame him for McKennie not acting like an adult and professional is wrong. Weston has shown discipline problems on multiple occasions now. A coach can’t watch these guys 24/7. At some point, the player needs to be a professional.

    So I guess Max Allegri, a coach who has won multiple Serie A titles and made Champions League finals, isn’t a big time manager because a player had a discipline issue.
     
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  21. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If the players has respect for the team, their teammates, and themselves, they will do what’s right.
     
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  22. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Look who it is!!!! What year is this?
     
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  23. yankthisyank'swank

    Oct 13, 2010
    Can you not imagine a coach like Guardiola being respected enough that all players do what they are asked? McKinney isn’t a “yessir” type of dude.
     
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  24. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You haven’t heard of what is going on with Benjamin Mendy, have you?

    To the ignore list you go.
     
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  25. yankthisyank'swank

    Oct 13, 2010
    Those things matter, but I think some players only care about themselves.
     
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