WCQ 2022: Matchday 6 - Brasil vs. Argentina (September 5, 2021)

Dude, no question everyone I've seen (on other forums, to be fair this one is quite inactive especially in the Brazil sub-forum) who is acting like Anvisa is some righteous government authority doing everything correctly and defending the country, every one of those people would freak out if this was done to Brazil and would start by saying they need to hear more cause why would Brazil do something so stupid!

 

Here's a video with some of the sound from the moment it all happened:
https://ge.globo.com/sportv/program...e-e-juninho-durante-paralisacao-9832277.ghtml

Most globo videos are restricted in the US, but this one is not, I guess because technically it's not match footage.

You may have seen these scenes already but now you can hear:

• Tite yelling at someone:They had 24 hours, they had 72 hours before the match and they come and do this now???
• Neymar saying "Deu ruim"
• Messi saying they will leave
• And Juninho (he is part of Brazil's staff) speaking Portunhol.

 

Only an idiot would believe that.

These players are well known public figures, everybody knows that they play in the EPL. The idea that they would lie to try to fool the nation of Brazil into believing that they haven’t been to England is the most idiotic excuse that an idiot could come up with to stop a football game

Nobody could possibly believe that. At worst, I suppose it’s possible that whoever was taking care of their paperwork might have accidentally neglected to fully fill those annoying little questionaries that we get when we travel overseas.

But the idea that the players would actually have lied about public information that everybody already knows to fool Brazilians into believing that they actually don’t play in the EPL is beyond lunacy. Only a moronic public bureaucrat could possibly come up with something that stupid

Please stop trolling, dude.

 

Part of me believes that because armed government thugs unnecessarily invaded the pitch to take out players who’d been approved by Conmebol to play, the punishment should be exemplary.

But because I do believe that the Brazilian players and federation had nothing to do with this and so are also victims here, I think I’d settle for a replay. Maybe on a neutral site, not in Brazil.

 

Well, if a player committed a serious felony then maybe I can understand an arrest. But stop a game to deport players? Aside from the fact that this is a bogus deportation, because Conmebol had an agreement and a pre-agreed bubble, and because other players coming from Britain had already been allowed to play in Brazil, the truth is that if they really felt that they had to deport them, it could have waited until after the game.

These a-holes just wanted to stop the game, to show their power. Pathetic!

 

Well, remember that Brazil has as many people as all the other countries of South America combined. This translates into economic and political power.

But this time I think that they went too far. I’d think that FIFA can’t possibly ignore this incident.

I suppose we’ll soon find out,

 

Tite was ********ing livid. He gets excited during matches, but otherwise, he's always excessively calm, to the point the Brazilian press mock him for it, call him boring and consider it an act on his part.
I've never seen him mad like that before.

 

That’s the thing: the pandemic isn’t going away any time soon. If a precedent isn’t set by FIFA, other nations may just begin using “health laws” to cancel games and claim precious victory, or at the very least get key opposition players to not play. It’ll be a mess. The whole point of that 10-confederation agreement was to avoid such things.

Send a message that this is unacceptable and can under no circumstances happen again.

 

I know you are a 24/7, 365 troll, but dear lord the irony of these posts is off the charts!

 

The agreement between CONMEBOL and the federations signed June 2020 due to the pandemic states that if there are sanitary issues the federations have to inform CONMEBOL and the game will be moved to another site. It is the responsibility of the home federation to inform CONMEBOL.

Presumably in this case the Brazilian federation didn't inform CONMEBOL about it because they were also kept in the dark. At least that is their claim.

But the health authorities now claim that they did inform both federations. If that is true, then the Brazilian federation based on protocol should have been responsible for informing CONMEBOL of the issue, and the game would likely have been moved, either to another Brazilian state that would allow the players to play, or else to another country.

It is telling that the ref's report to CONMEBOL says that he suspended the game due to 'external factors', and he was the one who ordered the Argentine team to go to the locker room for their own safety. That seems to protect Argentina from being disciplined. It is written in a way that puts the the responsibility for the suspension on the Sao Paulo bureaucrats who invaded the field.

The speculation is that FIFA will take some time, until both teams are qualified and the points don't matter (as is likely to happen) and then they'll take the points from Brazil. They don't want to set the precedent of allowing government authorities to stop matches without consequences.

Of course, whatever FIFA decides will most likely be appealed to TAS. They will have the final say,