NSR: CHICAGO Political Thread ***HIGHLY TOXIC - ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK***

Discussion in 'Chicago Fire' started by skinut, Nov 12, 2016.

  1. Pablo Chicago

    Pablo Chicago Member+

    Sep 7, 2005
    Sweet Home Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Auch du lieber!
     
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  2. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Full report
     
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  3. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    That’s great. Thank you.
     
  4. Pennsylvania Dave

    Jul 31, 2012
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Correction: "I WAS a Libertarian".
     
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  5. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Wake me up when September ends

    [​IMG]
     
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  6. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
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  7. skinut

    skinut Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 25, 2000
    Castle Pines, CO (or often elsewhere on earth)
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As I would have anticipated I'm either voting for the Social Democrats or The Left.
     
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  8. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    You'll only have to figure out for yourself if you want Germany to leave NATO (Left) or not (SPD) until election day ;)
     
  9. skinut

    skinut Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 25, 2000
    Castle Pines, CO (or often elsewhere on earth)
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wouldn't want them to leave. Anyway, I'd probably vote SPD as I'd want to support the party with the best chance of forming a governing coalition.
     
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  10. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Forming a coalition is one thing, getting your policies through is another. Let's assume you vote SPD: What does it help you as a left SPDer when SPD forms a traffic-light coalition with FDP saying you cant have a 12 EUR minimum wage? Tactically, it would make sense to gamble a vote on the Left in order to prevent them from dropping out of Bundestag. An R2G coalition would certainly get more social democrat policies through than a "traffic light" one.

    [​IMG]
     
  11. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    1435230013314506752 is not a valid tweet id
     
  12. Pennsylvania Dave

    Jul 31, 2012
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
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  13. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Please stop quoting me.

    Merkel said she was stepping down. She said she would not seek another term some time back (2018).

    This was reiterated and widely reported again this summer.

    It is clear that you misunderstood my point.

    Post what you want about the German election, but leave me out of it. Having to take you off of ignore when my name is invoked is annoying.

    Please stop it.
     
  14. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    RT Deutsch is a non-issue in this election. This article was more true/applicable 4 years ago than it is today.

    Germany is a completely different political animal. For starters, mail-in voting is almost fraud secure. Voting is almost fraud secure.

    And it is shown by the projections on the previous page: the pro-Russia parties are losing ground in regards to voter shares. In a proportional system, the proportional share is what counts and not if AfD manage to win a few more direct candidates in Saxony or die Linke wins them in Berlin.

    Not to forget that this parliamentary system serves well to isolate AfD from ever getting political influence. No one will form a coalition with AfD in what? The next 20 years? This is evidently far less difficult in a system with FPTP where parties have much less influence and where "caucuses" or "tea parties" or fringe backbenchers can put their agenda through much more easily.

    In addition, the media landscape is completely different as there is no Murdoch and no Fox News. Germany's BBCs have like 27 tv/radio channels holding an information monopoly. That doesnt mean that people are "immune", but they are less susceptible.

    Putin should save the money and rather put it into US elections where it will be much more effective
     
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  15. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    Different than what?
     
  16. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Than the UK and US
     
  17. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    Then your examples of secure voting seems odd. I can’t speak for the UK but the US doesn’t have issues. You might be watching too much Fox News. :D
     
  18. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    This is just in: As I was saying, meddling with the election has little to no chance of success. But attacking MPs e-mail accounts was a much more interesting target. They got detected soon though and after Putin didnt stop, they've decided we are striking back now

     
  19. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I take it that the post to which you are responding was something like "German elections do not have mail-in voter fraud issues, like the US and UK" or some such garbage.

    A higher percentage of US voters (46%) voted by mail in 2020 than did the voters in the last German election (28.6%)*.

    Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Utah and Washington have 100% (or almost 100%) mail in voting. There is no fraud to speak of in any of those states, or any states that have mail-in voting.

    The mail-in fraud canard is a complete myth.

    It is so disturbing that the media provide an outlet for the lies and nonsense (and not JUST on Fox News). To see someone have to refute that nonsense here on BigSoccer is even more disturbing.

    The news media allow people with no knowledge on the subject, say Donald J Tr*mp plenty of air time (too much) to rail against mail-in voting. The news media will speak with officials in the states that have "concern" (almost entirely for nonsensical reasons), as opposed to giving time to the states that actually do it and do it well.

    This idea that mail in voting is not "fraud secure" in the US is one of the worst, most anti-democratic things (of all of the bad, anti-democratic things) in this nation. It is racist, ageist and almost completely nonsense.

    As for the UK, in the 2017 general election, there were 336 allegations of "voter fraud" in the entire election. Of those, most were without merit.

    Of the eight cautions accepted four were in relation to registration offences; one a false statement on a nomination form; two personation when voting by post; and one return of election expenses**.

    This is out of over 29,000,000 votes cast.

    *https://www.dw.com/en/german-election-the-postal-vote-and-fraud-claims/a-58844693

    **https://www.electoralcommission.org...f_file/Fraud-allegations-data-report-2017.pdf
     
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  20. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    About 5 minutes ago I realized tomorrow is the twentieth anniversary of the “9/11” attack on the Twin Towers. Americans were really ********ing stupid back then and we’ve only regressed since.
     
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  21. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    100%
    1,000%

    Absolutely.

    It was a terrible, horrible crime. The American reaction and over reaction gave the perpetrators exactly what they wanted.

    Oh, and we willingly gave away many of our civil liberties and trillions of dollars for "defense."
     
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  22. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    ARD had a documentary yesterday on 09/11. It included the US ambassador Bush/Congress had just dispatched not more than a few weeks prior. It was his 2nd day in office. When the news broke, he had to rush to the German president in order to get proper "official papers" in order to ensure diplomatic relations. No formal ceremony, no nothing. When he rushed back to the embassy, it had become evening in Central Europe and police had shut down the area around the embassy in fear of further attacks. Berlin Police at first wouldnt let him in not recognizing he was the ambassador. After he finally managed to get in, a group of Germans had gathered down on the street around the police barriers lighting candles, putting flowers down and praying on their knees. The ambassador sees this from the windows and has a mental breakdown bursting into tears. He decides to walk back down in order to thank the people against the advice of the security personnel. An old lady standing in the crowd sees the ambassador in tears and tells him "When I was a little girl, I get to live through the Berlin blockade because you guys were there to help us in a time of desperate need. Im here now trying to help you the best I can when you are in desperate need".
     
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  23. sportscrazed2

    sportscrazed2 Member+

    Jul 30, 2008
    Mordor, Middle Earth
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They were probably gonna give the defense money away either way
     
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  24. GHjelm

    GHjelm Member+

    Apr 23, 2008
    Batavia
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Beautiful story
     
  25. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Stolen from Brian Sandalow on Twitter:

    Through 23 games:

    2020 Fire: 5-10-8, 23 points
    2021 Fire: 6-12-5, 23 points

    Georg Heitz got his continuity.
     
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