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Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by Nico Limmat, Feb 24, 2014.

  1. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    The other clubs do not complain much. And in some cases it helps them sell their players to bigger clubs.
     
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  2. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    There is that. And the idea that Juve would be entitled to decline a players call up due to the fact he was called up two years ago while playing for Shalke.
     
  3. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    The clubs can continue letting their players play in the Gold Cup if they think it improves their transfer value - on a voluntary basis. But it shouldn’t be a mandatory release. Believe me, MLS clubs too will get tired of losing key players in the summer stretch. Numerous fans already seem to be.

    Why are you so opposed to cutting down mandatory releases for nations cups to one per cycle? Still holding out hope for a sandwiched Copa Pan-America on top of the Gold Cup?
     
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  4. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    I am not opposed to it.
    I just think a Confederation has a right to do whatever they want and it is not really other Confederations business if they decide to have two completions in a 4 year cycle.

    And no one is really complaining about it so why fix something that is not broken?
     
  5. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
  6. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Link is broken, but it does seem nuts to sneak-in a round of int'l matches 30 hours before some players have a scheduled match for their club. I'm surprised it took them 3 weeks to appeal.
     
  7. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
  8. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Well, Brazil has called replacements for the England-based players. For now they are still counting on players in Spain and Italy (in fact one of the replacements is from La Liga - Vini Jr.)
     
  9. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Colombia has purchased plane tickets for every player called so they are expected to be in South America no matter what.
    Same for Uruguay.

    Whether they get cold feet or not or feel too much pressure from their employers still remains to be seen.
     
  10. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    That's true - its highly political. But whether the US is on the UK's red list or not, the players coming back from playing a contact sport in 2 to 3 different South American countries are high risk and should be "red listed". We saw what happened at the beginning of the Copa America tournament...
     
  11. r0adrunner

    r0adrunner Member+

    Jun 4, 2011
    London, UK
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    These extra WC games should have been played in June when the CA was held.

    I hope that the clubs stand firm and refuse to release players this time. It will teach COMNEBOL - surely the worst governed of all the confederations - a much-needed lesson.
     
  12. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    As stated before.
    Due to the Pandemic CONMEBOL lost a lot of money.
    They did not want to lose a lot more money by cancelling the the Copa and voiding contracts by sponsors and Television Networks.
     
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  13. r0adrunner

    r0adrunner Member+

    Jun 4, 2011
    London, UK
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I understand that, but they already had a CA in the current cycle, they didn't need another one 12 months later (originally scheduled for 2020 after 2019).
     
  14. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    #4539 HomietheClown, Aug 27, 2021
    Last edited: Aug 27, 2021
    Who are you to say that they did not need it?

    1) They needed it for finances. But Especially after a horrible 2020. Cancelling contracts were not an option.
    2) They also needed it for competitive advantages. South American teams who do not make the World Cup need the Copa America as often as possible to play in competitive matches. If the Copa would have been cancelled then those teams would have had to wait until Summer of 2024 to play in competitive matches other than Qualifiers which are being too spread out and delayed and put out of rhythm by European Clubs !

    Friendlies can only do so much.

    That is just way too inconsistent and certainly not fair.
     
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  15. r0adrunner

    r0adrunner Member+

    Jun 4, 2011
    London, UK
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    If they were more innovative they could find other ways to play competitive games than continually holding CAs which only decreases the value of the competition compared to, for example, the EC.
     
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  16. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Not true.
    I have never heard an Uruguayan say that their 1995 Copa America is not worth as much a Brazil's 2007 Copa America.

    It does not decrease the value, but that is an argument for another thread.
     
  17. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
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  18. bigsoccertst1

    bigsoccertst1 Member+

    United States
    Sep 22, 2017
    True, it depreciates their tournament. But remember, they are Conmebol and they will sell their mothers down the river.

    Case in point: Copa Centenario. The 100th anniversary of their continental tournament was played where common local fans could not travel (visas, dollars).

    Copa America 2020(2021*) was meant to be a cash-grab:
    - AFC guests; to increase TV right sales in Asia.
    - Split between the most distant confederation members: ARG and COL; to maximize attendance with less games per host country.

    Although a cash-grab, they needed it badly. Their US bank accounts remain frozen since 2015, so Conmebol needed to generate money fast.

    Their HQ in Paraguay and their charter jets do not come free.
    https://www.ole.com.ar/futbol-internacional/conmebol-aviones-copas-libertadores_0_P-Trbmd5E.html
     
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  19. pipinogol

    pipinogol Member+

    May 20, 2016
    Club:
    Cary RailHawks U23
    All the players are leaving (because, shockingly for many, they have a will of their own) and clubs can do nothing because FIFA is on their side :ROFLMAO:
    The only ones that are being taught a lesson are european clubs.
     
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  20. JLSA

    JLSA Member

    Nov 11, 2003
    I don't doubt this, but ...

    Australia and Qatar are not near the top of the list of countries that would help achieve this.

    J
     
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  21. pipinogol

    pipinogol Member+

    May 20, 2016
    Club:
    Cary RailHawks U23
    Qatar probably paid to be included. IIRC they got Australia because Japan and China turned it down.
     
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  22. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  23. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    As they should.
     
  24. davidjd

    davidjd Member+

    Jun 30, 2000
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  25. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Once we start considering this from 2020 on, I'm in agreement.

    The right move in hindsight would've been not to hold the 2019 edition, if alignment with the Euro was Alejandro Domínguez's main goal.

    When you have to throw in that caveat... Conmebol's weaker members are privileged in that only Conmebol and UEFA have all their members involved in WCQ until the very end. I don't see how you make the argument that 2 Copa Américas in the same WC cycle is a necessity when Domínguez himself shot down the idea of a Conmebol Nations League because it would be "redundant."

    ...nevertheless, it looks like a moot point, since Conmebol pegging their calendar to UEFA's means that the Copa América's most likely back to a quadrennial schedule.
     

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