Joseph "Joe" Scally at Borussia Monchengladbach

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  1. wixson7

    wixson7 Member+

    May 12, 2009
    boulder
    1424855097209724931 is not a valid tweet id
     
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  2. Kagler24

    Kagler24 Member+

    Nov 13, 2008
    Los Angeles
    The question is of potential...yes I think hes better long term than Reynolds or Gomez. Though I'll admit I've seen very little of Gomez.

    And I've been following Scally since his U17 days. Dont insinuate otherwise with your fake question.
     
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  3. twoolley

    twoolley Member+

    Jan 3, 2008
    lol very sensitive eh? Was a genuine question no need to be a douche about it.
     
  4. wrench

    wrench Member+

    May 12, 2007
    NYC
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    This kid had a very good outing for his first real game. He played all 94+ minutes. Put out fires and tried to advance the ball whenever possible. Looks to be well regarded by his mates and I don't see any reason for him to not continue to be starting.
     
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  5. Kagler24

    Kagler24 Member+

    Nov 13, 2008
    Los Angeles
    Do you think Reynolds is better because of his half season at Roma or Gomez because of his one season in USL?...its not a question it's an insinuation of incompetent bandwagon fanboy twitter nonsense. See, I automatically assume you probably watched Reynolds at Dallas or Gomez with US YNT. Especially when answering a question specifically referring to potential. If it's a genuine question, then it's a really dumb one that serves no purpose at all. I dont think you're that stupid.
     
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  6. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gomez game style reminds me of Tecatito. We shouldn't allow him to slip into the dark side
     
  7. TarHeels17

    TarHeels17 Member+

    Jan 10, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think saying Vines level is underselling. Maybe on the left side, but Scally's right is very solid at crossing, and I think he loses a lot of that skill on the left even though his left is serviceable.

    He's taller than Vines, a better athlete in terms of both speed and physicality, and most importantly about 3.5 years younger. I also think that his feet in tight spaces are noticeably better than Vines.
     
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  8. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #233 LouisZ, Aug 9, 2021
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    I also think he is ahead of the curb for his age. He is another Cade Cowell, just not as fast as Cade, but then, how many players are faster than Cade :)
     
  9. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Remember, he is way younger than Vines and to be playing like him is a compliment. Scally is probably nowhere his optimum performance. He still has some growth to go. I'm sure he will be better than Vines in the near future. I have seen many videos of Gomez and his game is completely different for playing the same position.
     
  10. FC Tallavana

    FC Tallavana Member+

    Jul 1, 2004
    La Quinta
    I get it, he wasn't raised in the Heartland, but Dest is an incredible player. He walked right into Barcelona lineup at 19 and played 41 games for them. The right back position is his and his alone as we head into the new season. Messi or no Messi, he is still starting for Barce-friggin-lona. Dest is about as well-rounded of a fullback as they come. He can dribble, he's quick as hell, he can get stuck in, and he has a good shot. Crossing may or may not be a plus for him, but there isn't much way to tell while he is at Barcelona playing the ball on the ground. All this to say, Scally is incredibly unlikely to ever be as good as Dest is right now (and Dest will improve too!). And that is OK. There is a lot of space between what Cannon and Yedlin bring and what Dest brings.
     
  11. Kagler24

    Kagler24 Member+

    Nov 13, 2008
    Los Angeles
    For me there are still some very serious concerns about him defensively. Especially for the US, where in his last game he was replaced at HT. He struggles against bigger, more physical players. But I still believe hes on another planet as far as potential, which is why i said except Dest.

    Scally will be better defensively long term IMO given his size, athleticism and proactively aggresive style. But Scally, though a talented offensive player, will never be close to Dest offensively.

    And I dont get what him not being from the "heartland" has anything to do with it. Most Americans arent from the Midwest anyways.
     
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  12. twoolley

    twoolley Member+

    Jan 3, 2008
    I think you’re confusing me insinuating/implying something and you inferring it.

    the reason I asked was twofold. I haven’t seen much if any of his preseason time with gladbach and it has been a while since anyone has seen him play regularly. Not to mention a lot of folks dropped their overall assessment of Scally post u-17 World Cup.

    As for the comparables of Reynolds and Gomez it is mostly because people are going pretty crazy over Gomez and I also haven’t seen him play much but it seemed like you had seen preseason Scally games and therefore maybe are more of a soccer nut than me. As for asking someone a question about how what data they used to derive an opinion of potential… I’m not sure how that’s dumb.

    I think Julian Araujo has a good shot to be at a similar level as Scally and Reynolds as well. Time will tell for all three.

    My question wasn’t a dumb one at all though lacking context I can see how you would make an inference that would offend you.
     
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  13. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gladbach's next game, is the season opener, against Bayern. Game will be on Friday the 13th:eek:
     
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  14. Kagler24

    Kagler24 Member+

    Nov 13, 2008
    Los Angeles
    I dont think the talent level between them, including Araujo is that great. Any of them could end up at a very high level for the next 10 years+.

    I rate Scally a little higher purely based off his mentality. Hes proactive, aggressive, "take the bull by the horns" type guy. He just makes plays. Reynolds looks like he really doesn't want to ******** up at Roma right now. At least that's his body language. Hes not as engaged as Scally. Maybe hes just taking longer to adapt, hard to tell. Just my read right now. I agree on Araujo, similar mental makeup to to Scally.
     
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  15. TxEx

    TxEx Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur, Crystal Palace, FC Dallas
    Aug 19, 2016
    DFW
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    I think you can blame the coaching difference between Reynolds and Scally right now. I agree Reynolds is trying not to screw up but that' because his coach is Mourinho. The difference in aggressive confidence between his play at Roma and his play for FCD is obvious.

    Scally on the other hand seems to have gained the trust of his manager and is growing into his own. If Reynolds goes on loan I expect that swagger to return.

    I have no idea who has the most upside, but anyone betting against Reynolds is making a mistake. He has gobs of potential. Now we have to see if he can level up to it. Scally looks like that big modern fullback who is solidly two-way and carves out a great career in the Bundesliga. Both have a ton to dream on.
     
  16. dougtee

    dougtee Member+

    Feb 7, 2007
    great post
     
  17. run_it_out

    run_it_out Member+

    Earthquakes
    United States
    Jun 19, 2018
    Maybe you didn't see his games under Fonseca? That's when he looked scared to me. I thought that he has looked pretty confident so far this preseason.
     
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  18. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    I want to second the idea that this is a great post, especially the idea that both Reynolds and Scally are very promising and that we can (and should) root for both of them to succeed.

    I do feel the implicit tug of caution, because a player's club situation is vital to his maximum development and his career trajectory. Simplifying the point, if Scally tries and fails but receives a shout of encouragement, while Reynolds tries, fails and gets benched, then Scally has a better chance to reach his full potential.

    Scally will make mistakes, sure, but he'll likely have a chance to learn from them, recover, improve. I think we're all a little nervous about Mourinho's notoriously short fuse, but I'm still cautiously optimistic that Reynolds can withstand the sound and the fury.
     
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  19. Kagler24

    Kagler24 Member+

    Nov 13, 2008
    Los Angeles
    I agree Reynolds is in a much tougher spot than Scally professionally and personally. Scally is in a smaller town, surrounded by a bunch of American teammates that are an hour or two away. Reynolds is in one of the biggest cities in Europe with no real support structure around him. Top all that off with the difference in coaches and that's a tough spot. He deserves more time to get acclimated.

    Word on the street(twitter) is Bensabiani wont be ready in time for the opening game of the BL against Bayern. Scally in line to start. Talk about a tough opening game of the season for him.
     
  20. felloveranddidanadu

    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Dec 12, 2009
    Club:
    San Jose Frogs
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Looked to me like his shove of his teammate on the goal helped direct his teammate's body into the ball at a pretty ideal angle for the goal. He should get a secondary assist for it :)
     
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  21. run_it_out

    run_it_out Member+

    Earthquakes
    United States
    Jun 19, 2018
    Rugby assist?
     
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  22. Lookingforleftbacks

    Galaxy
    United States
    Dec 17, 2016
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Like a lot of people, I had my doubts about Scally after he got torched in the Nike Friendlies and didn’t impress in the u17 WC. But I know not to write off any kid completely. Still, this has been a pleasant surprise. I root for all these guys and I think we have done a good job of calling up the best players recently. We have to come to grips with the fact that we are going to have players in top 5 leagues who aren’t getting called up in the future and right back is going to be one of the first spots that happens.
    In no particular order:
    Dest
    Scally
    Reynolds
    Moore
    Cannon
    Araujo

    its also probable that prospects like Mauricio Cuevas, Nati Clarke, Matthew Schenfeld, and many others emerge and end up overseas in the next 3-5 years, too. I rate Gomez very highly and think Paredes and Bello have been solid for DC. I like that Vines is in Europe, though I don’t expect him to have a meteoric rise. We have options and prospects (KHF?) and we should be solid at fullback in the future. Whether or not we need Dest or Scally there, we are going to have good fullbacks for a long time.

    I’m more concerned over our striker and winger depth.
     
  23. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I see Scally moving to the #6 within a year. He is built for that role.
     
  24. HS Teacher

    HS Teacher Member

    Jan 3, 2018
    Spain
     
  25. ChicagoVT

    ChicagoVT Member

    United States
    Jun 26, 2019
    add Yedlin to that list too
     
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