The Ocho

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Patrick167, Jul 27, 2020.

  1. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The email I received from US soccer indicated there was a 5 level lottery system depending on which group you are in.

    The higher the group level, the better your chances.

    Some of the levels are free to join, so you could look into that, including Soccer Insider, which I'm in, which is the basic level.

    Essentially it puts you on their email list.
     
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  2. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It includes the possibility of draws, but the most possible points without qualifying has all relevant games having winners, meaning that if every game gave one team 3 points and one team 0, the formula would be the same. It's a high number because it's a hypothetical that never comes close to happening. An analogy is the Premier League or any other league with 20 teams playing 38 games. It is hypothetically possible that the top two will beat the other team once and win all 36 other games, so a team could get 37 wins for 111 of 114 points and finish second on goal differential, so 112 points are needed to guarantee the title, but nobody thinks about the possibility of getting 112 points. If you want to estimate how many points are necessary to qualify, you don't need to know that it takes 34 points to guarantee top three. There are 1.4 times as many games this time, but you can't take third in Hexagonals and multiply by 1.4 because a lower percentage of teams qualify this time.
     
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  3. FW_____

    FW_____ Member

    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Jul 8, 2021
    They've administered 3.86 million doses out of a population of 6.5 million as of today
     
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  4. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    USA vs. Mexico will be played in Cincinnati, Ohio

     
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  5. slider4CU

    slider4CU Member

    Borussia Dortmund
    United States
    Apr 12, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I mean, whatever. Just find it odd Ohio gets two WCQ’s
     
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  6. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wow. The end of Dos a Cero. Well, I guess with the results of the last edition of that game and the closing of the historic stadium, it was inevitable.
     
  7. Surinam has fired the nat team coach Dean Gorré, dismantled the staff of the Natio and announced it's focus is on setting up a pro league.
    Okay.
    Say goodbye to Surinam as a contender.
    What a bunch of morons.
    Surinam has too small a population for a full blown pro league, let alone one that can produce players to make an impact for the Natio.
     
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  8. FlipsLikeAPancake

    Jul 6, 2010
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My ignorant position just based on looking at a map and population numbers is it would make some sense for Suriname, Guyana and French Guiana to have a joint league.
     
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  9. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    GB is comfortable there
     
  10. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    Some Ocho-relevant transfer news: Jamaica's Leon Bailey is heading to Aston Villa in the Premier League, and Alberth Elis of Honduras is heading to Bordeaux in Ligue 1, pending a medical.
     
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  11. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That seems like a step down for Bailey.
     
  12. slider4CU

    slider4CU Member

    Borussia Dortmund
    United States
    Apr 12, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nah. EPL is most players goal
     
  13. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Yes, but its location is advantageous. Close enough to the East Coast to make it convenient for European players, with a history of being able to bring out the support for the national team, even in matches involving a Mexican fan base that's willing to travel. And they love to reward clubs that build new soccer-specific stadia.
     
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  14. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    It’ll be more cash.
     
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  15. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is pretty neat and well done:



    Note: I make no representations as to its accuracy.

    No link version:

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  16. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I have read that we actually have the worst travel schedule because of the H/A structure that holds our entire cycle. I have not verified.

    But some of the older teams may have it a bit easier. A bunch of those older teams will also not have guys flying from Europe.
     
  17. Roger Allaway

    Roger Allaway Member+

    Apr 22, 2009
    Warminster, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We may have the worst travel schedule in CONCACAF, but I think I know who has the worst travel schedule in the world.

    Asian World Cup qualifying this fall and winter consists of two Hexes. One of those Hexes has South Korea and five middle eastern teams. South Korea has to fly to the middle east and back (about seven hours each way, I think) five times, while it's middle eastern opponents only have fly to Korea and back once. That's about 70 hours of flying for the poor Koreans.
     
  18. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My solution would be to split the squads to a travel and home team.

    For this window I would send the Gold Cup Squad with some reinforcements on the road and have the Nation's League squad take care of Canada.

    I would keep the road team in Central America in a nice base camp the entire time with a short flight to the second game. We absolutely have the horses to do it, but a coach would have to be BRAVE to buck convention.
     
  19. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Who is on which team?
     
  20. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For continuity I would mostly run the same guys from Gold Cup but add at the wing and another 8 and maybe a 9 depending on Dike's health/form leading up to the game.

    probably something like.

    Paxton -Hoppe- Arriola​

    Williamson- Acosta

    Bello-Robinson- Sands- Zimmerman-Moore​

    Turner​
     
  21. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    So an A team and a B team.

    What was the thinking behind the A team playing one game and the B team playing 2?
     
  22. felloveranddidanadu

    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Dec 12, 2009
    Club:
    San Jose Frogs
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i'm kinda laughing thinking of this, but is there parity ensured by Concacaf for travel? we may have to travel more but i'd think our amenities are a damn sight nicer than the smaller countries. some countries might have to fly commercial o_O
     
  23. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    The three games in short succession, + the differing tactical requirements for each, + the different threats posed by each is kind of a puzzle for GB. If we assume three talent tiers: the elite field players (Pulisic, McKinney, Adams, Reyna, Brooks and Dest); the nearly elite (Sargent, Weah, and 4 or 5 others), and everyone else … then depending what do you think you need for each of the first two games tactically, do you start half the people in those two top tiers in one game, and half in another, hoping to keep their minutes below 80 total heading into Honduras?
     
  24. Baysider

    Baysider Member+

    Jul 16, 2004
    Santa Monica
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    I could see it. Although the way I'm thinking is that it's very important to get the 3 points from El Salvador and Canada but not so bad to lose the 1 point in Honduras (a think a tie is what we are shooting for there) . Play your best players mostly in the first two games and play negatively in Honduras with whoever you have left.
     
  25. shooter6065

    shooter6065 Member

    Nov 16, 2000
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    #675 shooter6065, Aug 3, 2021
    Last edited: Aug 3, 2021
    Just eyeballing it I can tell the flight times are off. Cincy to Kingston might be 4 to hours tops. Also, Panama City to Columbus has to be under 5 hours. I bet all the flight times are off.
     

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