Hugo Sanchez is on TV (per Twitter) saying that Tata must be ashamed and offer his resignation. Very likely they scapegoat Tata and Funes Mori as mercenaries. A little chaos and insular reactionary thinking at FMF could cool down the recruiting of US born players.
"He has to be ashamed and he should present his resignation to the Mexican National Team"The Tata Martino out talks have begun in Mexico 👀 https://t.co/uxsOUEUKlG— USMNT Only (@usmntonly) August 2, 2021
theres a really interesting dynamic going on in that mexico is preying on dual nats with non intention to use them. when does alvarez start? no clue. but maybe itll be next to jonathan gonzalez. cause the truth is that the current, undecided dual nats- there arent any who are especially close to our first team (and thats putting it lightly), and im not sure theyre close to mexicos first team either. the notable ones are ochoa, araujo and pepi. personal feelings aside- i think we should close the door on ochoa for accepting a mexico invite after having been on our nl roster- hes a promising young keeper. but hes not seeing the field for us for a while. right now he would be tied at best for 4th (with johnson as the vet option to him as the young pick) for third keeper on any given roster if one of steffen/horvath/turner werent available. araujo is really good but hes not getting in ahead of dest, cannon or yedlin. its a tossup/philosophical difference between him and reynolds (probably still not going to get many minutes), but gregg seemingly has made that call based on reynolds being in for a few grooming caps ahead of him already. and now his indecision has allowed an afterthought in moore the chance to come in and push himself into contention as the #2. pepi is by far the closest but i dont know that he is, or if gregg thinks he may be soon, close to that sargent/dike/p-funk blob. we have zardes as (just saw this elsewhere and i love the comparison). and its not exactly like moore, but hoppe coming in actin a fool (in the best way possible) may jump ahead of that threesome, if not only into it. but i do know that he most likely wont have a real shot until the feb intl window at the earliest. my point being pepi is the only one of the top 3 that would even possibly be involved in the team before 22. that would be the only real "loss". dont get me wrong- im all for araujo fighting for a spot, maybe ill get over ochoas just really dick move (again, not being sure is one thing- being in a team in a real comp where you have to rely on every man and then going to see how green some other grass is is a very different thing for me). but say we "lose" all three- how can we not see that as a sign of our progress? that mexico is having to resort to scratching and clawing for our scraps? thats a disrespectful way to put it, and i dont mean to disrespect any of them as players- but thats the cold truth. they are guys who could possibly get a chance at some point. and mexico is fighting tooth and nail to get these kids. so if the scoreboard doesnt do it for you thats the clearest sign, imo, of the state of the two national teams. its absolutely all "on paper", it has to actually come together etc but look at it like this- do you think germany cried a single tear when we "got" chandler or boyd? im not saying we are germany, but i am saying these dual nat "problems" arent problems at all. not for us, anyways. and im only talking about the 3 absolute cream of the crop guys. *i cant really comment on the gomez kid other than obviously lb is by far our weakest position. but i have zero insight on a 17 year old playing like double a soccer. maybe the second he turns 18 hes a starter for madrid- im just saying i dont know. in conclusion, mexico sucks. silverware dos a cero (tm).
On the other hand, a player like Pepi could see a colossal opening at the #9 position for Mexico. There's Raul Jimenez (who seems back) and not much else. I mean, Mexico will surely make Funes Mori a scapegoat. But truth is that they had to naturalize an Argentine the wrong side of 30, and threw him right into the starting XI. Kind of a desperation move. If Raul Jiminez can return to form, that will be a huge upgrade for Mexico. That guy was the best #9 BY MILES in CONCACAF before his injury. By frickin' miles. Julian Araujo just saw another right back do well in this event in Shaq Moore. So that's Dest, Cannon, Reynolds, Yedlin, Scally, the list goes on and on..............that he's competing with.
Heard Scally is being used as a LB these days. But yeah, our list of RBs is very long. However, I think that talent-wise Araujo's behind Dest. Plus he's still young. No need to rush this decision.
I don't either, but Mexico is recruiting him hard. Araujo isn't actually that much younger than Dest. ...............but anyway, here's a high profile dual nat celebrating our victory. 1422160441413836800 is not a valid tweet id
Araujo would have been on the GC team but he wasn't ready to be cap tied. So be it. Shaq Moore was the next man up. Came in from vacation and did very well. After Lewis and Yuiell, Araujo and DLT are the biggest losers of GC in terms of how things worked out. Pepi and Gomez know what Mexico did with Gonzales and now with Efra. It was a cynical callup to cap tie him. They could have sent him to Olympics so he could actually play real minutes. Hopefully Pepi and Gomez factor that in and stay with our u20s for the time being. LB and #9 are positions of need and they would get a real chance with us in due time.
Right now in terms of the Mexican-American dual national chart, I actually go....... 1) Pepi 2) Gomez 3) Cowell 4) Araujo 5) Ochoa Pepi has moved ahead of Gomez in the ranking. I think Cowell in the USMNT camp, but I still list him until he's captied. I just have Araujo that low because we've got right back covered. And there are more on the way. We don't even talk about guys like Olosunde in the Championship with Preston. We heard that Berhalter was in contact with Pepi after his hat-trick against the Galaxy. I'm hopeful. The USMNT has a good track record retaining FCD dual-nationals. Of course, Gomez is a former FCD academy player too.
what has to be corrected more- that hoppe reminds people of dempsey in his attitude or cowell isnt in any way eligible for mexico?
But the question also becomes about how much do dual-nats back themselves? Sure there are calculations about depth charts but these guys are uber competitive by nature. I remember in the 2000s that my dual NT Bosnia beat Belgium twice. 17-year old Hazard came on as a sub in one of those games. We are at the point where Belgium was in 2007ish and are hosting in 2026. I hope Gomez and Pepi back themselves to fight for a place on our depth chart. They are 2003s so they could play for our U20s and remain eligible for both senior teams for a couple more years. That seems like a sensible proposal we could provide. But if Pepi keeps scoring goals, he could become an option at CF real fast
I don't think he's a flight risk but this is not true. Mexico amended their constitution this year for reasons completely unrelated to soccer but in ways that make Cowell eligible. It's just unlikely we ever lose him.
I mean to be fair its not as if we don't have an opening for a #9. We have lots of guys with good potential and Zardes, but its not as if Pepi couldn't come in and compete pretty quickly.
There is a lot of debate about this point. As mentioned above by another poster, there is a mechanism by which Cowell can become eligible for Mexico. He isn't currently eligible, and it doesn't seem like he's a retention risk.
One of the real downsides of the lack of USYNT camps. We're not integrating the high profile dual-nats from Europe. The aforementioned Sanogo. Here's a new story en espanol regarding Fede Oliva of Atletico Madrid. Fede Oliva, de Chicago a joya en el Atlético de Fernando Torres - https://t.co/qL8UB1sIIX https://t.co/YoMKiRvt6J— Carofeni (@carofenico) August 2, 2021 Here's backstory on him for folks that don't know. https://www.onegoal.us/articles/202...r-atltico-madrid-youth-product-federico-oliva
I feel confident that we'll do everything we can for all of those players. Pepi would be the toughest loss for me with Gomez fast following. Interestingly, Araujo may actually be the "most ready" but given Scally's potential to emerge we just have so many options there. Obviously don't want to gift El Tri a potential starter at RB if we can avoid it though. I could just easily see them calling him in for their WCQ and playing him against Panama whereas it's challenging to see him getting on the field (or even a call-in) for the US in our next slate of games. I could see us calling him into a 30-man camp if we go very expanded.
Was wondering last night how the victory might sway the Mexican-American guys like Araujo, Llanez, etc, etc. On the one hand you have an American side who are in a really good moment, and seem to be approaching the ascendency. On the other, you have a creaky, old Mexican side who will have significant turnover in the next few years. Do you try your hand at winning one of those spots and regain the throne or do you go with what seems to be the stronger group and try to make a real run at winning the golden goose, provided you can beat out similarly young competition? Very tough call. Obviously very biased, but Efrain Alvarez looked very salty getting his runners up medal last night. Wonder what he was thinking about...
I just think it is a good sign that Mexico may need MLS players more than we do at this point. I don't want to see us capping players just to prevent them from playing for Mexico. If they don't have a clear path to the USMNT I wish them well with Mexico. For as much fun as it is to get caught up in it, Mexico is really not our absolute sporting rival. They are an emotional rival and they are what we use to measure ourselves by in CONCACAF, but we don't need them to suck in order for us to be great. It could be argued that the opposite is true. If they suck it will be harder for us to become great. Our true rivals for what we hope to accomplish with this generation of players are in Europe and South America.
David Ochoa, the @realsaltlake keeper who repped the #USMNT during Olympic qualifying and backed up Zack Steffen and Ethan Horvath in the Nations League in June, is requesting a change of association to Mexico, multiple sources tell @FOXSports.— Doug McIntyre (@ByDougMcIntyre) August 2, 2021 I think we will be fine.
The USMNT couldn't have been more welcoming to him. Taking some of these guys is like converting a cradle Catholic.
He saw Turner yesterday and was like "nooooope, Im not beating out that guy". This one was predictable, and frankly with our GK depth chart, I feel nothing. Hope it works out for him except when he plays us. Hope he doesnt get Jonathon Gonzalez-ed