Post-match: USA vs. Mexico - Gold Cup Final - August 1, 2021 [R]

Thanks for coming out El Cry!

 

The poster was not saying the US was actually one of the 10 best teams in the world, but rather that if FIFA published their rankings today, we would be ranked in the top ten. (#9)

They aren't meaningless anymore though. The World Cup pots are going to be seeded by ranking. Getting into pot 2 (or even 1) would be huge to helping avoid top teams in the group stage.

 

Actually, since he's now with Minnesota, and they played in Salt Lake Saturday night, he could have rented a car and driven down.

Actually might have done that.

 

Wait, what views? And why would I need to resurrect them?

 

look mexico has been trash this summer. its great to beat them...but there are multiple tiers of teams better than them...and that is the target. it should be. and they barely beat mexico in both of these games.....razor thin margins.

its great accomplishment...but concacaf is not the top of the mountain...so lets not pretend that it is.

the talent is there to be a top team. not merely a top concacaf team. the jury is stll out on if this appraoch can get them there. just being real.

 

i thini thats a big part of it.

I think the player pool has been super deep for 5 years or so at least and klinsmann was clueless. but I think recently its really gotten deeper and better....and its gonna be the new normal.

 

Tata Martino said himself that this was his A-squad (and mocked the US for sending a reserve team). 7 or 8 players started both the Nations League and Gold Cup finals. This was the best team Mexico could have put out there in a CONCACAF final in front of a very pro-Mexico crowd, and the US junior varsity beat them on the field without the need for a penalty kick shootout.

 

i hate cancel culture with a passion and think its advocates have no idea the damage they are doing to society writ large and personal freedoms/civil rights by pushing it forward. it reminds me of 1950s macarthysim...

but I wish arriolas racist tweets had been a dealbreaker...anything to get him off the team. he needs his retirement bracelet asap

 

Uh, the B team is basically a U-23 team, too.

 

Totally didn't expect this post from you

 

i think soccer media needs to spend a LOT of time today on mexico filing that complaint that we didnt bring our best players

 

We've been dominating Mexico for years, at the youth level, now at the senior level. USA is top dog in North America/CONCACAF. Now we have to conquer the world!

 

This this this. I don't know how many posts I read with that theme.

Arriola and Messi. Sure, why not.

 

source/link?

 

Being ranked top ten in FIFA's rating system is not the same thing as being one of the world's 10 best team.

 

Behind The Athletic's paywall, but I'll post the key few sentences below. Given how fantastic Felipe Cardenas' reporting of behind the scenes items at Atlanta United has been, he's earned my benefit of the doubt.

https://theathletic.com/2579808/202...cle_source=search&search_query=atlanta united

"Notably, multiple sources confirmed that Martino had real interest in coaching the U.S. men’s national team — interest that dated back to 2017, when he and the Atlanta United coaching staff attended the U.S. team’s World Cup qualifier against Panama in Orlando.

“He had an offer from Mexico, but he wanted to manage the U.S. team,” says a source.

According to Martino at the time, the USSF never approached him for an interview."

 

I knew that part. I'm asking for a source or link for Bocanegra blackballing him.

Because I've seen it written that he didn't get the job because the Fed wanted someone fluent in English. And I do recall that was...maybe not a requirement, but something the Fed was looking for. A preference, if you will.

 

ok but that's very different from what you said. Not interviewing because USSF, rightly or wrongly, went in a different direction, is not the same as the claim you made. You made it seem like an angry cabal was determined to prevent Tata from coaching the USMNT. We can - and should - question soccer house's choices, but saying he was ostracized is a stretch.

 

Acosta played his ass off. Berhalter won me over. Robinson staked his claim to the first team. Incredible game. Incredible win. ******** the odds makers. Turner did what I saw he could do way back in the pre-COVID Jan Camp at IMG. I’m pro und of all these players. On to the WC!

 

Canada is the real test. No, Jamaica is the real test, they have a more talented roster than us. Actually, Qatar, will easily shred our back line. Okay, we won’t generate a single scoring chance against Mexico and it will be the 2009 final all over again.

It’s been a fun few weeks.

 

If I remember correctly, the TUDN crew made a deal that if the US won the Gold Cup, Marcelo Balboa was going to shave off his beard.

Where's the You Tube of that one?

 

El fútbol está viniendo a casa.

Soccer's Coming Home!

Mwahahahahaha!!!!!

 

Luck had nothing to do with anything that happened in this tournament. And yes, I feel bad because we certainly had all of our best U23s available and playing in this Gold Cup.

If there was ever a time in our history to be smug, its right the hell now.

 

I don't think we're an actual top 10 team in the world, but the last couple spots in the top 10 are up for grabs, in my opinion. Going by the ELO ratings, their top 8 is pretty indisputable, even if one could quibble about the order:

1) Belgium
2) Brazil
3) Italy
4) France
5) Argentina
6) England
7) Spain
8) Portugal

The next 8 teams are: Denmark, Uruguay, Colombia, Netherlands, Germany, Switzerland, Mexico, Sweden. And then we're 17th.

Denmark and Switzerland had good Euros, but probably overachieved based on pure talent, and that performance might not be repeatable. I thought Uruguay, Colombia, and Sweden were all kinda meh in the summer tournaments. Netherlands and Germany have talented rosters, but are still in somewhat down cycles of talent by their standards and are in flux in terms of coaching. And then we know what's up with Mexico.

 

[2006 World Cup flashbacks intensify]