2021 CONCACAF Gold Cup Final - USA vs Mexico, August 1st, 2021

Discussion in 'Mexico National Team' started by Regulus Tera, Jul 30, 2021.

  1. erdons

    erdons Member

    May 1, 2005
    Los Angeles, CA
    I read it wrong, Yea 2014 was the best since 98, I thought he said Herrera coached us in 98, beers and being mad does to you.
     
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  2. Baysic

    Baysic Member+

    Jun 11, 2009
    The Bay Area, CA
    Club:
    Club América
    Funes mori is awful man lol

    That fool had snail tier breakaway speed lmao
     
  3. beat junky

    beat junky Member+

    Jul 4, 2007
    CA
    #603 beat junky, Aug 2, 2021
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    We need to move on from dopes like Piojo.

    Anyone wanting him back at this point is either trolling or an idiot.
     
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  4. Serg33

    Serg33 Member+

    Jul 11, 2007
    Nobody is asking for him back...
     
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  5. Rafael Hernandez

    Rafael Hernandez Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2002
    Yeah in that we need to wait but things aren't good in that end. People forget that Wales and Costa Rica in the Nations League didn't allow a goal by bunkering. And in the Gold Cup, we looked bad against all the "good teams" post Trinidad. Tata is better than Chepo but he's making the best mistakes and nobody in Mexico have realized that the WC qualifiers are going to be absolutely brutal with 8 teams and 3 games per FIFA dates.
     
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  6. LAFEFUT

    LAFEFUT Member+

    Mexico
    Mar 13, 2018
    Me gusta. Espero que me equivoque y que tenga esa confianza para rematar con la cabeza
     
  7. Rafael Hernandez

    Rafael Hernandez Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2002
    How do you know? Nobody knows what will happen. The only thing people should expect is he's been off for a while and will take time regardless.
     
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  8. LAFEFUT

    LAFEFUT Member+

    Mexico
    Mar 13, 2018
    I hope I am wrong
     
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  9. Serg33

    Serg33 Member+

    Jul 11, 2007
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  10. beat junky

    beat junky Member+

    Jul 4, 2007
    CA
    Lettuce not play dumb...there’s a few dopes already insinuating.
     
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  11. beat junky

    beat junky Member+

    Jul 4, 2007
    CA
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  12. Serg33

    Serg33 Member+

    Jul 11, 2007
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  13. nicamex1935

    nicamex1935 Member+

    Jul 10, 2007
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    His player selection and tactics as of late should absolutely be scrutinized and critiqued as long as it’s in good faith.

    Mexico haven’t really lost any dynamism going forward or in the build up under Tata. He simply hasn’t done much to address these long stretches in games where we completely lose our shape and look extremely vulnerable. It happened vs El Salvador, Canada, and the US.

    Part of that can be attributed to a lack of quality on defense at the moment but he needs to do better.

    That coupled with some of his stubbornness in terms of player selection is also concerning. He should mend fences with chicharito if he’s in good form.

    What I don’t buy is some of the bad faith knee jerk criticism that makes people want Lozano over Tata.

    The pressure will be on in the qualys but I think the positive experience of these Olympic players and the return of vital pieces like Raul and Chuky will make the difference in the Octagonal. We’ll see. If it’s just more of the same, he’ll be gone.
     
  14. beat junky

    beat junky Member+

    Jul 4, 2007
    CA
    No need to get pissy. You were wrong y punto.
     
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  15. Serg33

    Serg33 Member+

    Jul 11, 2007
    Congratulations?
     
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  16. beat junky

    beat junky Member+

    Jul 4, 2007
    CA
    No need to get mad guy...just move on lol.

    You spoke before you knew how stupid some peeps are here...it happens.
     
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  17. CyberAce100

    CyberAce100 Member+

    Jul 4, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Eso nunca va a pasar, la mitad de la afición de acá solo va a los partidos para el "desmadre".
     
  18. hausen

    hausen Member+

    Jun 18, 2014
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Meh.. I used to always blame things on the coaches for not getting the “best out of the team”. Nowadays I’m leaning more towards the thought that we just don’t have great players. Can’t always blame things on the managers when things go south (which they apparently have been every time we have a new manager).

    Mexico needs more talent. Managers, players, you name it. If we’re talking about “emotions” here, a domestic manager is probably better even though they’re tactically worse, simply because Mexicans give a shit about fellow Mexicans and will fire one another up. You think an Argentinian coach really gives a shit about Mexico doing well? Debatable. The paycheck speaks, but at the end of the day if things go south, they can always lean back on the excuse of “I didn’t have a great player pool to choose from” and move onto the next coaching gig. A Mexican manager puts a bit more of his reputation on the line for taking this role IMO, more at stake.

    but yeah, doesn’t change the fact we don’t have a great player pool.
     
  19. AMLO2018

    AMLO2018 Member+

    Monterrey
    Mexico
    Jul 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    #619 AMLO2018, Aug 2, 2021
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    facts lmao DeLa Rosa, Santiago Ormeño, Victor Guzman, Luca Martinez Dupuy, > Tronco Mori who scored against Nigeria's mediocre local team, Honduras all Covid-Positive & Injury Ridden y Guatemala lackin 90+ fitness

    Alan Putito otro muertazo
     
  20. TurdFerguson

    TurdFerguson Member

    United States
    Jan 11, 2013
    C- at best
     
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  21. Rafael Hernandez

    Rafael Hernandez Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2002
    .The Lozano thing is an exaggeration and I don't think he will be fired but stuff like that isn't new. I have been saying he has been complete shit in 2021 ever since his dumb declarations and stuff like he does is more than making me nervous. Overall this is a HUGE step backward especially off the job. It's a la the thing "if you shoot for the king you better not miss". He took the best team out there sans Olympic eligible players to get the tournament after losing the nations league and now fails to win against a USMNT B team. Literally people here and in Mexico were complaining about CONCACAF forcing Mexico to have the A team for the tournament and allow the US to send a B squad and that B squad just won the whole thing. Unless we win in Cincinatti, the have bragging rights.

    The 2nd thing is that Mexico didn't gain anything from the tournament as they didn't look good against their Octagonal rivals except Honduras and now there will be a whole lot of pressure from fans and everybody. The success in Tokyo might be a problem because in London, we had time off before starting the qualifiers that counted (the hex) and now we start in two months.

    I get a lot of Chepo vibes because of the results but more importantly because some of the mistakes. The big mistakes from Chepo were his tactical rigidity, he's incredibly arrogant attitude about Mexico being king shit in CONCACAF and having to play like Mexico all the time rivals be damned which turned to "I don't know jackshit about our rival and will play so predictable I will be outcoached each game". He needs to get off his ass and work. Like I said after the Canada game, JCO overthough thing but he was prepared each match and knew the rival and I don't think Martino does that. He also has to get his shit together in the locker room and cut off people who are damaging the team more than adding.

    I have some bad Deja vu too on stuff like that. I was in Azteca for what Martin del Palacio called the moment where everything went to shit for Mexico in the Chepo era, the loss in Azteca against the US. I remember some dude here that NEVER posted again after he was very busy and said that "Mexico would beat this US B team 99 out of 100 games". I still think that the Guyana Azteca game was a better preview of the disaster and officially it was the Jamaica Azteca game (which is also our first World Cup qualifier this time) that was the true start of the calamity but I'm not liking this result at all. I was very against people saying "this is like the Chepo era" but I'm not going to be that critical after tonight.
     
  22. nicamex1935

    nicamex1935 Member+

    Jul 10, 2007
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    It’s fair to be restless after a failure like tonight and the issues they had all tournament.

    I do agree that Tata does seem to underestimate our regional rivals since you don’t really see any adjustments. If he continues business as usual he’ll lose his job during qualifiers.

    One thing we do differ on (and I’m honestly just nitpicking here since it’s not too relevant) is the notion that Osorio was prepared each match. I know the Chile debacle is an easy target but that really was a perfect example of his incompetence. Mexico played Chile in a friendly before the copa and were utterly outclassed. Despite being played out of the park we lucked out and somehow won that game 1-0. He didn’t learn a single thing from that friendly.
     
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  23. Dos_santos

    Dos_santos Member+

    Aug 10, 2006
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Why do idiots keep saying the nads have close the gap? they did that in 2002.
     
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  24. Special_talent23

    Real Sociedad
    Mexico
    Mar 26, 2017
    Y que hace la liga mexicana para producir más talento nacional?

    Nada...

    Juegan como tres mexicanos por equipo de titulares jaja.
     
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  25. beat junky

    beat junky Member+

    Jul 4, 2007
    CA
    This looked like a carbon copy of the 1990’s early 2000’s games.

    Anyways Mexico played well and couldn’t finish. US played good for about 20-25 minutes in the 2nd half. The extra time was a wash...they capitalized on a mistake. The subs didn’t really had any offense so a big fail all tournament long there.

    Facaso yes but I’m not worried.
     

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