Post-match: USA vs. Mexico - Gold Cup Final - August 1, 2021 [R]

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  1. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

    Real Madrid, DC United, anywhere Pulisic plays
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Amazing performance. If there were any doubts that Berhalter was the right man to take us to World Cup 2022, they should be gone now. He is the right choice. His system works.
     
  2. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Acosta clear MOTM for my money.

    Robinson 2nd. Turner next. Then Zardes.
     
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  3. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Say what you will about Berhalter (and heck I'm still convinced he's holding us back in some ways), but this team seems to be peaking at the right time somehow and finding an identity of gutting out big wins in pressure cooker finals. I'm just glad to see it happen and watch an entertaining team again.
     
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  4. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not unbiased, but that's a crappy pick.

    I wonder if Acosta and Robinson split votes?

    How exactly is this decided anyway?

    Media vote?

    CONCACAF officials vote?

    Facebook poll?

    Referee draws a name of a hat?
     
  5. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, that was just a massive statement win. I was skeptical before, terrified for most of the first half, then about minute 60, they just unleashed whatever that was.

    Absolutely massive. So happy to be proven wrong here.

    Also, has anyone ever seen a match with so many "how did that NOT go in?!?" moments?
     
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  6. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, that was some old school USMNT underdog, keeper standing on head, defending crazily and stealing a set piece for the win, s**t that I apparently still have a soft spot for.
     
  7. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    still needs to be proven outside of concacaf but yeah he should get the rest of this cycle to prove it for sure.
     
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  8. mbar

    mbar Member+

    Apr 30, 1999
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe this MLS thing is good for our program.

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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  9. Grumpy in LA

    Grumpy in LA Bringing It Since 1807™

    Sep 10, 2007
    Chicago
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, in fairness, it might not have been him. Or it might have been sensationalist journalism. But supposedly that was the line from Martino and/or FMF bigwigs.
     
  10. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You got to give credit to GB. Sure, he hamstrung himself with the Lewis, Pines, and Yueill call. But once he settled on his player's rotation, things started to click. Props to him.

    Robinson started timidly but grew some as the tournament continued. He was a rock. At 6'2 with size, he looks like a possible partner for Brooks. I think Robinson's is a righty. I like Richards a lot, but he doesn't have the tournament experience of Robinson.

    GB is going to have to make some tough decisions when it comes to next month's qualifiers. That is a good problem to have.

    Some Euro players that weren't on the radar are starting to florish. This has to be the deepest pool the US ever had.
     
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  11. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That is USMNT soccer, and Ive missed it
     
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  12. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I like watching his teams play but Tata sure has a knack for finishing second. I also think he's just a bad fit for our players anyway. Might've been another Klinsmann.
     
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  13. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

    Real Madrid, DC United, anywhere Pulisic plays
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have had major doubts about GGG. I do not anymore. I do not know what you need him to prove. Can he motivate? Yes. Does his system work? Yes. Has he built a winning mentality? Yes. Questions answered. Results come and go, but if you have those three questions answered, then you get to keep the job.
     
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  14. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #164 thedukeofsoccer, Aug 2, 2021
    Last edited: Aug 2, 2021
    Sofascore/Fotmob Final Rankings:

    1. Miles Robinson, 7.71
    2. Matt Turner, 7.62
    3. Sebastian Lletget, 7.46
    4. Sam Vines, 7.27
    5. Gianluca Busio, 7.14
    6. Kellyn Acosta, 7.12
    7. James Sands, 7.09
    8. Shaq Moore, 6.95
    9. Matthew Hoppe, 6.95
    10. Paul Arriola, 6.63

    N/A for the rest. Not enough sample & I excluded Dike due to the injury.

    Robinson and Turner were the only stars. They are vying for starting spots on the a-team.

    Lletget was a steady, solid performer throughout by their ratings. People expected him to be in line with the top 2 because of his status going in. There was a lot of confirmation bias to have distaste in him as a guy Berhalter has overly leaned on. Also some guilt by association for the sputtering offense. 4 other players were involved in that. He was arguably the least of the problem. Rotational/situational 10/8 for qualifying.

    Vines was another steady eddy we can take as a backup going into qualifying.

    Flattering for Busio. He's not qualification ready.

    Unflattering for Acosta. He'll play a role as the #2 or #3 6. His rating was tanked by the early, less important games, one which he gave up a penalty. Whereas Busio was more buoyed by those.

    Hoppe was probably a little better than that, but he had a pretty rough outing tonight which dropped his rating more. And he made a lot of mistakes. I think he gets goodwill for being a prospect and trying stuff (often too much). I guess that gets him on the next rosters as a wild card.

    I also thought Moore was better than that, but still he was middling overall, cooling off after a hot start in the easier games that gained him affinity. I wouldn't say he floundered though and he gave a spirited effort off the bench tonight to contribute to the win. We're so deep at that position, I think he's a borderline roster guy/alternate.

    Sands faded, and it was against better comp, but that may have been the position switch. He's almost always played as a 6 or in a 3 cb formation as a pro, and his better performances also correlated w/ that in this tourney. Versatility will allow him to play a role.

    I sure hope for Arriola's sake he was hampered by the knock, but it didn't look like it. I think he's in the phase out category along w/ Yueill & Lewis.
     
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  15. papermache16

    papermache16 Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    10th or 11th I believe.
     
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  16. NietzscheIsDead

    NietzscheIsDead Member+

    NO WAR
    United States
    May 31, 2019
    NO WAR
    Did the US C team pass Mexico?
     
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  17. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    I'm going to be heretical for a second.

    Imagine if our "European" guys played with the fire that these humble MLSers showed today.

    I've seen something similar only a couple of times, once from McKennie, once from Pulisic.
     
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  18. Caulfield

    Caulfield Member

    May 31, 2004
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And he will. Gregg is no genius, but he seems to be getting the most out of the players and is on quite a run of making the right decisions; whether it be subs or slight tactical adjustments. With the exception of a handful of players, he’s certainly letting guys know spots are up for grabs because no US coach has been able to get these types of performances from this many players. I don’t know. Maybe we have reached a point where the player pool is about to explode and Gregg is just a beneficiary of that.
     
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  19. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They may do that one day before the final WC selection.
     
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  20. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Someone, like, say, Dest?
     
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  21. theboogeyman

    theboogeyman Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    Excellent analysis. I agree with all of this, but I think Hoppe is probably on the outside looking in for the qualifying rosters, at least initially. He will likely get some call-ins due to injuries though.
     
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  22. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He hardly played Bello and took care of Tecatito. That should give something for Tata think about.
     
  23. NietzscheIsDead

    NietzscheIsDead Member+

    NO WAR
    United States
    May 31, 2019
    NO WAR
    Oh, but there was:

    Berhalter 2
    Martino 0
     
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  24. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

    Real Madrid, DC United, anywhere Pulisic plays
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Every match was 1-0 in USA's favor. That is not an accident. Great goalkeeping, disciplined defense, and patience and persistence in attack.
     
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  25. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

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