2021 Gold Cup

Discussion in 'Referee' started by ref29, May 22, 2021.

  1. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Interestingly, Gantar has Edmonton-Valour in the CPL tonight. That would seem to indicate he was released from the Gold Cup awhile ago and, perhaps, the CSA always knew he’d be released? I don’t know how else this assignment could have worked.

    Given he was seemingly a 50/50 shot to do the final if it was US-Mexico, well, maybe it wasn’t a 50/50 shot at all!
     
  2. TxSooner

    TxSooner Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    VAR certainly has cut down on dissent with the players knowing everything will be reviewed.
     
  3. OkieZebra

    OkieZebra Member

    Aug 11, 2013
    Club:
    Norwich City FC
    29 years old. Wow. Only American players older are the two backup keepers. 9 Mexican players older (3 in goal)
     
  4. OkieZebra

    OkieZebra Member

    Aug 11, 2013
    Club:
    Norwich City FC
    Also, I really like the sub tracker that Fox is using like the timeout counters in other sports. It's nice to have and I don't think I've seen it before this tournament.
     
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  5. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The tactic of delaying the goalkeeper from releasing the ball for a counterattack is something IFAB is going to need to address soon. It’s very clear it’s being instructed by major clubs and national teams. And referees don’t call it because the remedy (IFK) slows down the counter possibility even more. Plus, most of the time, everyone accepts it because both teams do it. But it’s going to lead to frustration and retaliation. And it is a tactic specifically designed to prevent attacking soccer. You’ve got to think the technical committees are noticing.
     
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  6. gaolin

    gaolin Member+

    Apr 21, 2019
    Maybe it's the temperature of this match but I am enjoy Said Martinez's positioning so far.
     
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  7. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Very impressed with Martinez so far. He's calling a tight match and not allowing the match to get crazy. He's doing an excellent job of keeping the match temperature down. I like this guy.
     
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  8. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would echo most of this but add the caveat he hasn’t had a real flash point yet to test him, either.

    I think he’s done what he’s needed to do, which is laudable. But he’s also benefited from a match where both teams are still just playing for the win without any foolishness.
     
  9. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My counterpoint would be that I think by calling things tight early, he hasn't allowed a flash point to occur. We'll see what happens later. Compare that to Parchment's work on Thursday, where he didn't call much and allowed multiple flash points to flare up early.
     
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  10. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sure, which is why he deserves praise so far. But a match like this still has a flashpoint or two in it, if not more. And that’s when he’ll be tested.

    The PI/PO also will become a question by minute 60-70 or so if we continue at this pace. We are at 19 fouls already. Nothing stands out as needing to be addressed so far. But how far can you go without a card, even if every single foul is careless? It’s more a philosophical question than anything and I suppose the CONCACAF answer is infinity. But it will be interesting to see if he tries to draw a line in that regard. If no one on the field cares, it’s probably not a battle that needs to be picked.
     
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  11. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Be glad Buzz Lightyear isn't the ref then, he'd go to infinity...and beyond!
     
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  12. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hey did you guys know Said Martinez is 29?

    I can’t wait for the announcers to focus on his age and inexperience if this goes sideways. Instead of just praising him for a job done well thus far, everything is seemingly framed as a young guy desperately trying to not let himself end up in over his head.
     
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  13. TxSooner

    TxSooner Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Easy opportunity to issue a yellow for kicking the ball away and he decided a lecture was best
     
  14. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good dressing down of Williamson. Actually felt real and not perfunctory.
     
  15. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That would not have been a wise yellow card to make his first one in this match. Carding that wouldn’t have even crossed my mind and I’m almost certain it didn’t cross his.
     
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  16. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The foul off-the-ball on Arriola was the first one that really felt like a caution, but I can understand why he ate it and maybe felt it wouldn't have been the easiest sell.
     
  17. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
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    May 25, 2006
    That boot to the head should be red.
     
  18. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's red.
     
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  19. OkieZebra

    OkieZebra Member

    Aug 11, 2013
    Club:
    Norwich City FC
    So studs to the head isn't a red in CONCACAF, but elsewhere...
     
  20. gaolin

    gaolin Member+

    Apr 21, 2019
    A yellow shows he permits one boot to the head once, right....
     
  21. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not in CONCACAF.
     
  22. jdmahoney

    jdmahoney Member

    Feb 28, 2017
    Plymouth, MN
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Only in CONCACAF is that not a red, and not even reviewed for the possibility. Unreal.
     
  23. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    Red, but can't...
     
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  24. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Very similar foul to the Jesus foul in the Copa America. I called it - borderline yellow in CONCACAF. It's unbelievable. That's as red as you can get - studs to the back of the head. It's CONCACAF.
     
  25. Doogh

    Doogh Member+

    Oct 5, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Okay, referee experts, how is Herrera's studs up kick to Williamson's scalp not a straight red?
     

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